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Title: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: KrisNord on May 14, 2020, 06:42:46 PM
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In accordance with the CNN Charter a meeting shall take place at the CNN HQ at the Cabra Estate just outside Claith. The meeting shall feature the following agenda.

Quote from: Agenda

1. Review and Additions to the charter

2. Security Review

3. Education Review

4. CNN Festival

5. CNN Space Operations

6. Criminal Procedures Review

7. Humanitarian Review

8. Future of the CNN

9. AOB - Please state

The Cenneg delegation

King Finley (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=1634.msg14454#msg14454) - Head of State
 Princess Una (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=1634.msg14457#msg14457) - Foreign Affairs Advisers
Taoiseach Cadoc MacKenzie - Head of Government
Professor Lee McRae - Director of Cenneg Space Programme
Seth McFinn - Minister of Defence
Jasper McMinn - Minister of Finance
Philip O'Neale - Minister of Culture
 
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: DaveIronside on May 14, 2020, 07:00:29 PM
East Moreland wish to add to the AOB  the following.

1. The question of Maori war criminals, could come under Point 6

2. The status of the Bene Gesserit.

3. The status of Water Nomads


The East Moreland delegation

King David III (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=91.msg246#msg246) - Head of State
Darren Bone (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=91.msg331#msg331) - Minister of Justice
Rosa Meadows (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=91.msg333#msg333) - Minister of Education
Sir Harry Samuelson (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=91.msg335#msg335) - Minister of Defence
Katy Garrett (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=91.msg336#msg336) - Minister of Culture
Sir Jacob Longe (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=91.msg10921#msg10921) -  Royal Envoy
Duchess Orlaith Kade (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=91.msg15465#msg15465) - Foreign Minister


Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: Libby on May 14, 2020, 08:48:13 PM
Lodja have nothing to add at this time.

The Lodjain delegation shall be as follows

Queen Klara II (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=137.msg2748#msg2748) - Head of State
Lubos Kubik (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=137.msg504#msg504) Minister of Defence
Bryan Coxovich (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=137.msg512#msg512) Minister of Education
Dragan Knežević (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=137.msg513#msg513) Minister of Finance
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: BenOfTheIwi on May 14, 2020, 10:08:25 PM
The Commonwealth believe the War Criminals should be discussed as part of point 6.

Commonwealth's Delegation Shall be

King Piripi (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=638.msg4660#msg4660) - Head of State
Taika Sevesi (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=638.msg4675#msg4675) - Royal Envoy
Hori Pohatu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Bainimarama#/media/File:Frank_Bainimarama_November_2014.jpg) Minister for Defence
Kuki Taumata (https://alchetron.com/cdn/george-speight-2b6de556-3595-482f-9a15-11856b7c716-resize-750.jpeg) Minister for Trade
Tungia Mita (https://www.spc.int/sites/default/files/images/general%20SPC%20images/Fiame.jpg) Minister of Justice


Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: Libby on May 14, 2020, 10:48:18 PM
With it being Lodjain's turn to be the chair of the CNN Council it was left to them to officially open the Conference and their current chair was Princess Anfisa (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=137.msg523#msg523). "You Majesties, Highnesses, esteemed guests welcome to the CNN HQ. I'd like to begin by thanking our Cenneg hosts for their hospitality in hosting this conference. The meeting of the CNN is determine the future direction of the organisation so that it remains relevant to the state of modern Mundus as well as adapting to allow us to respond to any situation we may face. You have all helped form the agenda of the talks and so I suggest we should get down to business. The first point is for us to examine the current charter and determine whether it is still fit for purpose or requires changes. With that I open the floor to the delegations before us."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: DaveIronside on May 14, 2020, 11:19:09 PM
Orlaith Kade began on behalf of the East Moreland contingent.

"East Moreland would like to see the following changes to the CNN Charter"

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1.4 - The CNN shall admit members by application. Once an application has been submitted members shall take whatever steps they feel appropriate to enable them to make an informed decision during a vote. A majority of members shall determine the outcome of the application.

Should Change to

1.4 1.4 - The CNN shall admit members by application. Once an application has been submitted members shall take whatever steps they feel appropriate to enable them to make an informed decision during a vote. A majority of voting members shall determine the outcome of the application.[1]
 1. More an OOC decision so we're not stuck if someone goes LOA

We also would like to see 3.5 changed as it has a flaw that it expects intelligence sharing in all circumstances.

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3.5 - Member nations agree to share intelligence relevant to any other member, however a nation may not share anything they are presented with to a non-member nation without the approval of the originating nation.

Change to

3.5 - Member nations agree to share intelligence relevant to any other member, however a nation may not share anything they are presented with to a non-member nation without the approval of the originating nation. A nation may keep intelligence classified if they believe revealing it would endanger their own intelligence operations.

"We would also like to adapt the visa section of the charter. Currently it sits at 90 day maximum for no visa. We've seen several people from our nations working well together and effectively a three month maximum stay should be extended. We also think their should be a cut off point to not allow last minute trips to take advantage of the relaxed situation as this could be a security risk"

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4.4 No CNN citizen will require a visa to travel so long as they meet the following criteria

a) They do not intend to stay more than 90 days.
b) They have a return ticket
c) They can show proof of means to cover their stay.
d) They have no criminal record
e) They are not considered a security risk by the country they are visiting.

Change to


4.4 No CNN citizen will require a visa to travel so long as they meet the following criteria

a) They do not intend to stay more than 120 days.
b) They have a return ticket.
c) They can show proof of means to cover their stay.
d) They have no criminal record
e) They are not considered a security risk by the country they are visiting.
f) Their journey is booked at least 72 hours before departure.

"In a similar vein as to our stance on the sharing of military intelligence I think a similar adjustment should be made to part of the charter dealing with criminal activity"

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8.2 Member nations agree to share intelligence regarding suspected criminal activity.

Should change to

8.2 Member nations agree to share intelligence regarding suspected criminal activity so long as the act of sharing would not endanger ongoing investigations.



Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: KrisNord on May 14, 2020, 11:41:46 PM
King Finley spoke for the Cenneg first. "We support the East Moreland suggestions."

He then allowed Professor Lee McRae to take over.

"We would like an addition making to the Charter. I think it would come best under the Science section. If accepted it would become 7.7 and 7.8 respectiveley."

7.7 - The CNN's Super-eye satellite system shall be the joint property of all CNN nations. No nation may task the satellite without the permission of all voting nations.

7.8 - All projects undertaken by the Science Council which produce new patents shall see those patents become the property of all member nations at the time of their filing become equal owners. 
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: Libby on May 15, 2020, 08:11:24 PM
Lubos Kubick spoke on behalf of the Lodjains. "As part of the charter we would like to develop a long term strategy for command of any CNN operations. We're talking a decade down the line here though. We therefore would like to add the following to the charter."

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3.7 - The CNN shall establish an officer training centre. This shall offer a variety of course aimed at ensuring senior officers of CNN nations are familiar with the capabilities and operating procedures of all fellow nations.


"It is our belief that in future a pre-requisite of command of a CNN operation would be attendance at this centre. Additionally we have a very different military capability per nation. East Moreland have been perhaps the most active military in the world over the last five years or so. The Cenneg posses one of the biggest, the Maori a military developed from decades of guerilla warfare and in the last few years our own military have come on leaps and bounds. There is much we can learn from each other."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: BenOfTheIwi on May 15, 2020, 08:32:48 PM
The Commonwealth have nothing to add and do not oppose the proposals.
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: DaveIronside on May 15, 2020, 09:06:07 PM
King David and Sir Harry had been quietly discussing things.

"This Officer Training Centre I think is a good idea. Its been a long standing practice that no officer in East Moreland may progress past the rank of Captain without doing some kind of secondment to another unit in the military or some sort of specialist training course. This will give us another oppurtunity and be something that will help integration if ever we have to commit to some kind of operation similar to that which the CTO undertook in Marseille. I would though insist on this centre being in either Ui Cenneslaig or East Moreland. The Lodjain military have had to modernise their training techniques and the Commonwealth of the Iwi have some very experienced senior officers but have not really seen a traditional officer training programme. Both the Cenneg and ourselves have a long tradition of officer training centres."

"I also wish to add something to the proposal of the Cenneg."

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7.8 - All projects undertaken by the Science Council which produce new patents shall see those patents become the property of all member nations at the time of their filing become equal owners.

We would accept if it said

7.8 - All projects undertaken by the Science Council which produce new patents shall see those patents become the property of all member nations at the time of their filing become equal owners. Work undertaken by corporations on behalf of the Science Council shall be exempt from this.

"It is our belief that for the Science Council to work to the best of its abilities they will want to pull in specialist work from private business. If these companies believe that their hard work is to be absorbed by the Science Council then they may refuse their support. It is only fair those that innovate the future benefit from their work." 
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: KrisNord on May 15, 2020, 09:43:47 PM
"We have no issues with anything proposed." King Finley explained, "We believe that East Moreland should take a lead on the officer training centre location. The first meeting we had about forming the CNN we talked about spreading its bodies across the member states. We have the HQ, if this facility is to be established it should be in one of the other three nations."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: Libby on May 15, 2020, 09:53:21 PM
The Lodjain delegation looked around each other as though looking to see if anyone had anything to add when no one had anything it was the Queen who spoke. "We're happy with everything that we have agreed so far."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: BenOfTheIwi on May 15, 2020, 10:14:18 PM
"The Commonwealth supports these matters meaning that now we have a series of unanimous amendments and additions." Piripi announced.
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: Libby on May 15, 2020, 11:33:50 PM
With the matter of the charter being dealt with it was now time to turn to the next issue on the agenda. "The agenda says that we now focus on a Security Review. As such we should each outline what the status of the percieved threats to our nations are and what can be done to tackle them as an organisation. As far as I am aware we have no ongoing military operations by any nation who is a member although I understand the Cenneg have mobilised two units towards their borders and the Morelanders have ongoing operations against the WMRA and then an involvement in refugee operations in Ubirekkland. Are there any other?"  Princess Anfisa asked.

It was Lubok Kubik who would speak on behalf of the Lodjains. "At present there are no Lodjain troops conducting operations other than routine patrols of the Alucard in order to help ensure the Water Nomad situation is under control. As you are all no doubt aware small groups got themselves caught up in the kidnapping of the sister of the Vice-President of Kaitaine, this was resolved by working with Bakkermaya, Kaitaine and ourselves. Since then the Water Nomads have been behaving themselves and we believe that this kidnapping was an isolated incident by a small group of manipulated Water Nomads. We've put steps in place with TUNA to ensure the region is kept secure from other such attacks as well as allowing any of the group who wish to settle to do so. As you are now doubt aware we have recently worked with the Council of Albion to put in place measures to try and bring a settlement to the Merina civil war. This situation has the potential to be more volatile because of Tamoran intervention however we are confident that should limited military action be required the Albion nations are more than capable of dealing with the situation. I would however like to pre-emptively request that should military action begin in Merina with the Council of Albion we can utilise the Super-Eye satellite.

The Lodjain military has shown great improvement over the last twelve months. Training programmes are up and running utilising the processes put in place by the East Moreland military. Additionally the removal of the high command means we are confident that moving forward the corruption that was once rife in the military is over. The acquisition of the HDMS Morelander drone carrier has brought a useful addition to our military and in the coming year we will be looking at phasing out other older machines in the air force. That concludes the Lodjain security review" 
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: DaveIronside on May 16, 2020, 10:35:44 PM
Sir Harry Samuelson refered to his notes. "Presently we have East Moreland troops engaged in two active operations. The first is a refugee operation in Ubriekkland. Currently a variety of naval assets belonging to the REMNS are convoying refugees out of the region for fear of religious persecution. Currently the operation is going fine, there has been no use of force by either side. The second active operation is along our border with Vaguzia. Members of the WMRA have been attempting to carry out a campaign against our neighbours to the west and naturally we can not permit this. There have been concerns of those crossing the border to prepare and launch attacks and so one of our Legions is deployed there. We have also been utilising our air force in order to carry out strikes. In addition to these two active operations we have three passive operations. The first is against the Truthsayers in Seitch. We believe that it is from here that attacks against our nuclear waste convoys originated as well as the kidnapping of one of our diplomats. We are engaging in intelligence sharing with the government of Kaitaine but this sharing is limited only to information relating to the Truthsayers. We believe this is an issue we may need to discuss in more detail and as such have scheduled it in for AOB. Our second passive operation is against the Borlanders, currently they have no prolonged attacks taking place however we are constantly monitoring that situation and as always we would urge those in this room to maintain a watch against them as it is not unknown for the Borlanders to also target friends of East Moreland. The final passive operation is against the self proclaimed Principality of Northern Borland which is in effect within Zimalia. Our concerns are that it may be used as a base to launch and plan attacks. We are further concerned as in recent months Tamora have begun supporting the Zimalian government and while that is not something we are concerned about at the moment we have seen Tamora intervene with military support in other parts of the world and so we'll monitor the situation there. In terms of our military we are determined that it maintains its stance as a cutting edge military force and shall during the next twelve months be releasing several new acquisitions, naturally as our allies we would be willing to share access to these with our CNN friends."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: KrisNord on May 17, 2020, 12:37:30 PM
Seth McFinn would be the one giving the report of the Cenneg military. "Currently we are involved in three operations. The first is our long standing commitment to manage the Celtic Protectorate. That agreement has several more years to run and despite recent negotiations between ourselves and Royal Seleucid the manpower involved there will not change until the conditions are fully meet or the agreement reaches its pre-determined end point. The other operations are essentially holding actions, we have Solemani on our Northern border and the SICR on the Eastern which are both experiencing different forms of government destablisation. As such we are concerned about people flowing over the border either to escape the crisis, which we will deal with, or to take advantage of the territory to engage in activities against the governments, actions we will not tolerate. Additionally we stand ready to help with evacuations from Ubriekkland should the East Moreland government give the call for help."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: BenOfTheIwi on May 17, 2020, 09:30:57 PM
It was time for the final security review and in some ways it may be the most complex. It was left to Hori Pohatu to explain. "The Commonwealth is still on standby. We have problems with the Seleucid of which you are all aware. It is vital that we do not permit their war criminals to find safe ground however that is difficult. We'll strike where we need to in order to ensure they are brought to justice. We realise however the Seleucid are not willingly going to hand them over. Additionally we are also responsible for helping ensure the security of southern end of the Matilda's. Additionally we have seen the Seleucid attack our security forces in the past, currently we've the Rokkenjimans harbouring several of their operatives. We've seen the Seleucid invest in their military over the last 12 months and now this is something we ourselves must look at doing. While we are keen to retain an arms industry within the Commonwealth we shall be in the coming months be looking at asking our friends in this room to perhaps aid us. We pruchased the Dragonling some time back off the Morelanders and have been pleased with how its gone, we have also purchased some ships from the Cenneg which are serving admirably. What we lack however is the high tech solutions the other three of you have. I hope that in the coming days we can look at our procurement situation. That concludes our security review"
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: Libby on May 18, 2020, 08:09:38 PM
Princess Anfisa checked the notes to make sure everything had been recorded and that there was nothing to follow up, apart from the idea of closer connections in acquiring military equipment, something which would be covered in the trade section, there was no reason to not move things on. "The next focus for discussion is Education and I believe Mr.Coxovich has a proposal.

"Thank you Your Highness." The Lodjain Education Minister stood up. "It is my understanding that students would like in many cases to experience studying in another nation. We have had in place for a while the idea that a foreign language from another CNN nation must be taught in our schools. Eventually this will filter up to those at University and as such having the chance to study abroad for a part of their degree would be appealing. What I suggest is that we have two things. The first is that we allow students to transfer credits between our institutions on the basis of teaching hours. For example if say a Lodjain University insists a student have 60 teaching hours in a module an individual could spend part of the time in East Moreland and access 60 hours of teaching there. That could be a full module, part of a module etc. I think financially it may be easier for students to spend only a part of their time in another nation rather than the whole of the course."

"The second idea we wish to put forward is an annual STEM based Summer School. We have four subjects,  Science, Technology, Engineering and Maths. Each year we host one subject per nation. Students can apply and places be split 25% to each nation. It would give an oppurtunity for nations to give future workers in STEM industires the once over and an oppurtunity for them to make contacts in their field. What do we think?"
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: BenOfTheIwi on May 18, 2020, 08:50:36 PM
There were a few hushed discussions before Taika Sevesi responded. "Are we expecting each nation to specialise in one branch of the STEM summer school or would it rotate. I think personally I would like to see it rotate round as that way we can each get a good look at the graduates soon to enter the workplace, we can also set things up in such a way that there can be some benefit to the host nation. So for example the Commonwealth have a decent maritime engineering outlook, we would if given engineering focus on that which sadly if it was always here would mean things like civil engineers may not get an opportunity. If the schools are rotating then we support this idea."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: DaveIronside on May 18, 2020, 10:31:17 PM
"East Moreland supports the idea."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: KrisNord on May 18, 2020, 10:46:43 PM
Philip O'Neale spoke on behalf of the Cenneg. "It would seem Summer 2021 will be a first for the CNN then. We support these ideas."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: Libby on May 19, 2020, 12:11:45 AM
"Excellent" Princess Anfisa looked down at her notes. "The next issue is one that I am concerned about. The founding charter of this organisation called for there to an annual CNN Festival. As of yet there hasn't been one. We've all been very absent minded in that regard. I think it is very important that we ensure we fulfil what the organisation said it would and therefore would like to suggest that sometime in August we have the festival." The Princess had naturally spoken with her nations government prior to the conference starting and now saw her Queen take to her feet.

"I would like to offer the Isle of Tyr as a host. Its an island that we've invested quiet heavily in for tourism purposes over the last few years however we've yet to really launch the work we've done. I think we'd be ideal to host it. The weather is amazing all year round, its in the middle of the Alucard meaning its as close to in the centre of three nations that are members as possible and I believe we can ensure the best entertainment of the CNN is showcased while providing guests with a spot of autumn sun for many."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: DaveIronside on May 19, 2020, 09:26:52 PM
David smiled as he would have enjoyed the festival coming to Northfort however he understood what the Lodjains were trying to do with their islands, "Having been to the Isle of Tyr on several occasions I can vouch for the island being a beautiful place and I certainly think they would host an excellent festival, additionally it is something that would boost the local economy for sure. We do not intend to put forward a Morelander city as host but rest assured wherever it goes we'll be fully involved in making it a successful event."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: BenOfTheIwi on May 20, 2020, 03:30:48 PM
"The Maori would be happy to go to Tyr"
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: KrisNord on May 20, 2020, 04:09:51 PM
"The Cenneg would be more than happy to pop across the Alucard for this. Lets get it booked in." King Finley agreed.

With the schedule moving on to space operations it was perhaps natural that following the hand over from the Princess the Cenneg would take the lead and Professor Lee McRae took the floor.

"I have several announcements for the joint CNN space operations. We have coming up our Moon Dragon (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=1408.msg12434#msg12434) project, while it was due to launch in December we've adapted the programme slightly and now that will launch in the beginning of June. It will put into the atmosphere of a moon of Ninurta (RL Saturn) a unmanned air vehicle. Going forward I'd like to present the agreed upon schedule for space operations over the remainder of this year.

Quote from: CNN Space Operations

Early June - Moon Dragon Project
Late June - Long term stay test on the East Moreland "inflatable space station."
Late August - Completion of the radio telescope system in the Unified Iwi
Early October - Launch of the second and third Super-Eye satellite systems.


"Now in addition to this I understand that there is every chance of independent East Moreland missions. It is important however that we seek to co-ordinate our launches. With the long term stay at the space station planned to last 40 days it would be useful if we can plan follow ups. While ourselves and East Moreland however have a system for preparing our teams Lodja and the Iwi do not as of yet, unless of course they know something I don't. What I would like to do is ask both Lodja and the Iwi to recruit five astronauts who we can train ready for future missions. It is our hope to have several missions by the end of the year in accordance with the arrangement we have made with the Morelanders. So with that review and proposal made can we ask if anyone has any plans we are unaware of."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: DaveIronside on May 20, 2020, 04:59:03 PM
Sir Harry Samuelson had been fully briefed of the space situation and so took up the speaking of behalf of East Moreland. "Our Royal Aeronautical Society plan only one individual space mission at the moment. With the Keppler cascade report earlier this year we are going to put a third sweeper satellite into orbit capable of removing older satellites. It is our intention to start trying to make a catalogue of what is redundant up there and start removing it as best we can. For example if we have systems that are now outdated and replaced then we'll remove it from orbit." He explained, "Additionally we plan on using time aboard the space station for more tests of swarmbot technology by supporting SmartWar. It is our hope that while onboard we can set them various tasks in zero gravity and if possible send them on a short space walk of sorts. We are fully supportive of helping train more astronauts from The Iwi and Lodja and are happy to make our facilities available for such a process."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: Libby on May 20, 2020, 10:42:13 PM
With no domestic space programme of their own Lodja was forced to look to its friends to get its fair share of space adventure and research and it was Coxovich as the Minister of Education who had an interest in science and all things spacey to speak on behalf of the Queendom. "Lodja will not be launching anything this year but we are very excited to be part of the project using the space station and naturally we shall get involved in the astronaut training having recruited several former air force pilots as potential recruits. We will also be opening a second of the Cenneg radio telescopes in the Alucard rather than the main land as the Island of Minor Alucard has a site that will be operational by early September. We would also like to explore a launch of a satellite for monitoring the Alucard island chain for environmental reasons. This will most likely be a project we'd like to run with a combination of the CNN and TUNA if that is possible."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: BenOfTheIwi on May 20, 2020, 11:17:48 PM
"The Commonwealth is in much the same situation as Lodja in that we are devoid of our own domestic space programme but excited to be able to contribute through the CNN to exploration and research. We've already a long list of people wanting to use our Radio Telescope and of course it will be patched into the network that the Cenneg have set up. While we do not intend to stand in the way of space exploration or space operations I however feel that we must make a point about the Lodjan project, we understand its need and its usefulness however we would not think it appropriate to be done under a CNN flag. Both Lodja and Ui Cenneslaig are parts of TUNA while East Moreland and ourselves would get no use or benefit from the proposed satellite. I think therefore with this being a project that only benefits 50% of the CNN membership it shouldn't be one that two of us are asked to support in a financial sense. Now should the Cenneg or Lodjains believe for example that EMAC or SmartWar can contribute something positive I suspect the Morelanders would not stand in the way of their nations companies selling hardware or technology. I wish the project well but I don't think our people would appreciate us funding such a project when it is one better pursued through regional organisations." The King's cousin Taika Sevesi said on behalf of the Iwi.
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: Libby on May 23, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Coxovich looked at Sevesi but couldn't help shaking his head slightly. "Mr. Sevesi we are not looking for funding. We are looking for technical expertise. If you look at the membership of TUNA there is only one nation there with any expertise in space exploration and that is the Cenneg. We however think having someone like SmartWar involved could help us even further and for that we will need the help of the Morelanders. It is our view therefore that we should involve the CNN too, especially as if the satellite for the Alucard is effective we may wish to explore a similar thing for other regions and having the knowledge retained in the CNN would be useful. Additionally I don't see why this couldn't help the economies of the CNN. If we make a good job of this project then could there be a possibility that if other outside agencies wished to monitor in similar ways we could establish ourselves as sales men for such a project? Consider our request here more of a courtesey than a request if it helps Mr.Sevesi."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: KrisNord on May 23, 2020, 01:50:26 PM
Professor Lee McRae had wondered why this wasn't brought up over at TUNA but understood the point Coxovich was making. "The Cenneg are committed to helping TUNA with its efforts improving the environment of the Alucard. If the members think a satellite is useful then I'll be happy to make our resoruces avaliable. I think including the Morelanders is a smart way forward and we'd be happy to utilise what we learn there in future CNN projects. I hope that allays the fears of Mr. Sevesi"
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: DaveIronside on May 23, 2020, 02:01:08 PM
The Morelanders saw a chance of getting some business the way of EMAC and SmartWar and so Sir Harry took the chance. " The Super Eye project showed what we can do and I'm certain that EMAC and SmartWar would appreciate a chance to work once again with the Cenneg. I agree though that the time for these talks would be in a TUNA conference not a CNN one. So perhaps it would be best if myself and Professor McRae talk after these have finished."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: BenOfTheIwi on May 23, 2020, 04:45:04 PM
"If there is no financial cost to our nation via this project then we withdraw our objection and wish the project well. Naturally should it produce results that would suggest a CNN version of this environmentally monitoring satellite is useful." Sevesi concluded.
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: Libby on May 23, 2020, 05:08:18 PM
"Very well" Princess Anfisa seemed satisfied that the space section of the conference had been dealt with and it was now probably time to move things onto the tricky point. "We have now reached the point where we are scheduled to discuss the criminal proceedings of the organisation. We have also had a particular request by the Morelanders to include matters relating to the Maori War Crimes here so perhaps if either the two parties wish to kick start things of then we can begin."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: DaveIronside on May 23, 2020, 05:41:14 PM
It was King David who began, "There are two matters that we wish to bring before the CNN. Let me start with perhaps the one that we are most likely to get an agreement on. I'd like to see it made the case that anyone who is connected to slavery to in Tamora, or any other nation beyond that, is arrested and brought to trial. For example should we find out that a man returning to East Moreland from Tamora did any form of business with a slave owner, even if it was just say offering financial advice, then that Morelander is guilty of aiding slavery and a suitable punishment put in place. This is a law I intend to make for my own Kingdom however I think it would work better and send a clear message if all four of us did this. I know at present we all ensure that any goods coming from Tamora must carry the Freestone Mark and that other trade restrictions are in place. I think though having some similarities between us is useful."

The King gave way so his Minister of Justice, Darren Bone, could take over. "The second matter we wish to discuss is the situation with Maori war crimes. We firmly believe that the situation should see all Seleucid who carried out crimes against humanity punished. The problem we have is that clearly the Seleucid will protect them and as we've seen of late we can not rule out the Seleucid making attempts at rescuing those who have been put on trial. This is something that needs to be addressed. What East Moreland is proposing is that when the Maori capture a Seleucid criminal proceedings carry on as normal. Should it be that another nation, shall we say acquires a Seleucid war criminal the three other nations of the CNN would support an extradition order, I believe sadly that because of the Maori methods of execution likely to be used that will be rejected. We will then apply as a CNN coalition, should the extradition be granted we'd make available a facility in Ostlake where a joint trial can take place, if the person found guilty they can still face execution however it will be conducted by the Moreland military. I think this will mean we can get more of the Seleucid war criminals deported.  I understand the manner of execution is important culturally to the Maori in terms of justice being done, however some justice is better than no justice. I'd like to see if first this is acceptable to the Maori, and also would Lodja and Ui Cenneslaig support the formation of this new court system."
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Post by: KrisNord on May 23, 2020, 08:29:21 PM
"The Cenneg also think that the idea of us all ensuring the Freestone Mark is enforced in our nations is a good idea. Additionally ensuring the arrest of any of our countryman dealing with slave traders sounds a good idea. It may be tricky to enforce but we can at least try." Princess Una of the Cenneg replied. "I think the idea of the joint CNN tribunal also works and the Cenneg would be willing to support."
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Post by: BenOfTheIwi on May 23, 2020, 10:00:49 PM
King Piripi looked serious. "We applaud the idea of rounding up anyone who trades with people utilising slavery in any shape or form. I think us having a law that is pretty much uniform on the matter will send a clear signal to our people that we shall not allow those involved in slavery to profit regardless of nationality. I do however have one condition. This can not just apply to our own citizens, should for example it become clear that an Alander for the sake of this illustration sell raw materials to a Tamoran factory using slaves and then that Alander visits Lodja they need to be arrested. If this is the case then I will fully throw our support behind it."

"Now as we come onto the courts issue. I do not like to say this but I believe Mr.Bone may be correct however I do not like it. We will subscribe to this approach however we would like to see a situation where any nation that refuses to comply with any of the steps we have outlined are denied extraditions until such a time as they comply. This would first mean that Rokkenjima would be the focus of an initial push. They currently have a number of individuals who carried out criminal acts actually in our country from Seleucid. If we are to agree to this then I would expect us to immediately announce we expect them to be handed over and until that time there can be no extradition to Rokkenjima from East Moreland, Ui Cenneslaig, Lodja or ourselves. Our only other condition would be that the trials must be conducted in East Moreland as suggested this way we would be able to have the death penalty for those convicted."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: DaveIronside on May 23, 2020, 10:51:54 PM
David leaned over and consulted with Darren Bone for a few moments before addressing the Maori King. "As I'm sure you will agree Piripi this would put East Moreland in an awkward position as we are rebuilding a friendship with Rokkenjima. We do though think that this is a matter where we need to stand beside our Maori friends due to the precedent not doing so would cause. The court would also I think have to be in East Moreland as the Cenneg have an extradition treaty by the Assembly of Ardia, and Lodja do not have the required penalty. If the monarchs of Lodja and Ui Cenneslaig back this new court structure then we shall be happy to host it and make the announcement shortly after we reach the decision."
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Post by: KrisNord on May 23, 2020, 11:35:24 PM
King Finley and his sister Una conversed for a while before the Princess spoke. "We are tied to Rokkenjima by the Assembly of Ardia in terms of extradition. We though believe this is a point we must reinforce that we will not permit a nation to harbour those who commit crimes against humanity. I believe therefore that should we need to cross that bridge we can find a way when it must come about. As such you can expect full Cenneg support regarding this move to establish a CNN Tribunal in East Moreland and manned by a judge from each nation as long as it utilises East Morelands means of execution should a verdict require it."
Title: Re: CNN Conference 2020
Post by: Libby on May 24, 2020, 12:17:02 AM
Queen Klara spoke on behalf of her Queendom. "We support all aspects of this and I believe that means that we can proceed with both putting in place this system and requesting the extradition of those being held in Rokkenjima."