I'm curious as to know what do you fail to understand about “upon instruction of the Order”?
It's not because the result of the action in itself is right, that the action in itself is. Such blindness shouldn't be tolerated. Therefore, I ask you a vote of confidence following a rule violation from the Chancellor.
Of the Order means it as an entity. Therefore, an entity isn't represented by one or two single individuals. Thanks. If you fail to understand such basic we may have an issue. E.g. the discussion going on right now on the Order's forum about new potential members.
1) a Member of the Order of the Pen makes a nomination in the Order of the Pen Forum
2) The Membership of the Order of the Pen say yes/no.
3) If Yes, the name of the new member be posted in the Conference Hall where it is signed by the GC
You are fully passing aside from the point.
The issue isn't that there isn't a clear process of how the Order of the Pen decides. The issue is that Beatrice, as Chancellor, decided alone to appoint new people to the Order of the Pen. That's the sole issue. Refer to my previous messages if you don't understand. That is a constitutional violation.
“What I'm reading here boils down to people saying "Beatrice should have posted a topic on the forum and let the Order vote"” no. If for instance there were talks with all the members on Discord then would have been fine. There's no limits to how it is done, since the constitution don't constrain this. So please, just, stop, bringing that the issue is the process, because it's not, and since the very start it's not my point. Thanks.
”been involved in discussions about some if not all of these names at some point” that's pure speculation. And do you really want to enter into such pitiful list to write who was consulted on what? Equally that still means people who aren't part weren't able to object or discuss the matter. Therefore not applicable and futile “argument”.
“However her actions in my view fall within the scope of the Constitution.” no. And issue is that you don't reply to any of the points that I've brought in my 3 previous messages.
So I'm just getting bored since nor you nor Beatrice reply to my messages, so let me repost them:
1- No, as I've proven in this post (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=2635.msg24018#msg24018) that you haven't even addressed (so don't say that you addressed all my points that is BS).
2- No, Beatrice isn't even listed as a noble previously nor is on the Order of the Pen (IMO she should be), therefore de-facto she can't allow herself to decide such, including interpretations, since she wasn't given by the Order such “order”. And as I said earlier, stop with your process, that's absolutely not the point and it's just a distraction because you don't know how to defend her gesture otherwise.
3- I asked you previously to argument that view, which you have failed to do, and doing it with a consistant logic, not putting distracting informations as you've done so far.
I'd love if we had serious people respecting texts at one point. A new constitution is nice, but people ignoring the mistakes and keep digging themselves a hole is making it all futile.