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Title: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on August 06, 2023, 01:47:15 AM
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Proposing the Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations
An Invitation To Our Regional Neighbours


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The Dauntel Sea and the Strait of Shaw represent a rich area of trade and commerce, comprising the economies of Abertone, Daito, Tytor, Rokkenjima, Gowu, Toshikawa, Nueva Ardia, Phuebra, Rhand, Skalvia, Marsielles, Aquitaine and Aosta. Rokkenjima has long seen and believed in the promise of our region, as well as our faith that nations that further their mutual economic and security prospects ensure a region that is not only free from conflict and strife, but one which enriches the Peoples they represent. Whilst I originally intended to present my ideas to a future Summit of the Cross-Straits Community, I felt that a new direction might serve our nations best; one which sees something new created in the place of past organisations, yet bringing forward the best aspects of previous organisations to best serve our interests moving forward. While we will not incorporate past structures in our path forward, we shall carry forward the lessons learned in those past endeavours and, together, build something which serves the interests of our nations here, now and in the present. In those interests I invite representatives from the above listed nations to join me at my home in Dunwich to discuss a mutual path forward toward the Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations, ADSN.

I have prepared a framework from which I hope we can work from, and am happy to share it with you here:

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The ADSN Declaration (Dunwich Declaration) Dunwich, [DATE OF SIGNATURE]
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The First Empire of Rokkenjima, [ADDITIONAL NATIONS];

MINDFUL of the existence of mutual interests and common problems among countries of the Dauntel and the Straight of Shaw and convinced of the need to strengthen further the existing bonds of regional solidarity and cooperation;

DESIRING to establish a firm foundation for common action to promote regional cooperation in the Dauntel and Straight of Shaw in the spirit of equality and partnership and thereby contribute towards peace, progress and prosperity in the region;

CONSCIOUS that in an increasingly interdependent world, the cherished ideals of peace, freedom, social justice and economic well-being are best attained by fostering good understanding, good neighbourliness and meaningful cooperation among the countries of the region already bound together by ties of history and culture;

CONSIDERING that the countries bordering the Dauntel and Strait of Shaw share a primary responsibility for strengthening the economic and social stability of the region and ensuring their peaceful and progressive national development, and that they are determined to ensure their stability and security from external interference in any form or manifestation in order to preserve their national identities in accordance with the ideals and aspirations of their peoples;

AFFIRMING that all foreign bases are temporary and remain only with the expressed concurrence of the countries concerned and are not intended to be used directly or indirectly to subvert the national independence and freedom of States in the area or prejudice the orderly processes of their national development;

DO HEREBY DECLARE:

FIRST, the establishment of an Association for Regional Cooperation among the countries bordering the waters of the Dauntel and the Strait of Shaw to be known as the Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN).

SECOND, that the aims and purposes of the Association shall be:

1. To accelerate the economic growth, social progress and cultural development in the region through joint endeavours in the spirit of equality and partnership in order to strengthen the foundation for a prosperous and peaceful community of Dauntel and Shaw Nations;
2. To promote regional peace and stability through abiding respect for justice and the rule of law in the relationship among countries of the region and adherence to the principles of international norms;
3. To promote active collaboration and mutual assistance on matters of common interest in the economic, social, cultural, technical, scientific and administrative fields;
4. To provide assistance to each other in the form of training and research facilities in the educational, professional, technical and administrative spheres;
5. To collaborate more effectively for the greater utilization of their agriculture and industries, the expansion of their trade, including the study of the problems of international commodity trade, the improvement of their transportation and communications facilities and the raising of the living standards of their peoples;
6. To promote shared Dauntel-Shaw studies;
7. To maintain close and beneficial cooperation with existing international and regional organizations with similar aims and purposes, and explore all avenues for even closer cooperation among themselves.

THIRD, that to carry out these aims and purposes, the following machinery shall be established:

(a) Annual Meeting of Foreign Ministers, which shall be by rotation and referred to as ADSN Ministerial Meeting. Special Meetings of Foreign Ministers may be convened as required.
(b) A Standing committee, under the chairmanship of the Foreign Minister of the host country or his representative and having as its members the accredited Ambassadors of the other member countries, to carry on the work of the Association in between Meetings of Foreign Ministers.
(c) Ad-Hoc Committees and Permanent Committees of specialists and officials on specific subjects.
(d) A National Secretariat in each member country to carry out the work of the Association on behalf of that country and to service the Annual or Special Meetings of Foreign Ministers, the Standing Committee and such other committees as may hereafter be established.

FOURTH, that the Association is open for participation to all States which border the Dauntel Sea or Strait of Shaw who subscribe to the aforementioned aims, principles and purposes.

FIFTH, that the Association represents the collective will of the nations which border the Dauntel Sea and Strait of Shaw, to bind themselves together in friendship and cooperation and, through joint efforts and sacrifices, secure for their peoples and for posterity the blessings of peace, freedom and prosperity.

DONE in Dunwich on this
  • day of [MONTH], [YEAR].
In this vision we seek the establishment of a common free trade zone and, during the discourse of our talks, further defensive coordination to preserve the peace and tranquility of our region from forces that would threaten our economic stability and security. In addition to the framework provided, Rokkenjima will work with our prospective partners to see more in the manner of cultural exchange, cross-border educational opportunities for our Peoples and decreased VISA requirements between members of the Association; remember this is a most basic framework, and where we take it from here is fully within our hands to determine. I look forward to meeting with you all, and to making decisions which will see the Dauntel and Strait of Shaw prosper for generations to come.

Yours in friendship;

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Empress of the First Empire of Rokkenjima
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on August 06, 2023, 02:07:57 AM
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The Empress was much more seasoned for this meeting and it showed as she stood on the steps of Shizukesa Palace, Dunwich, awaiting her guests. "We may be on the precipice of something which will be put in the books of history one day," she said to Gregory McKenna, "much unlike those nightclubs you continue to run," she chuckled. "Those nightclubs are places where people let lose and have fun, they're important and no, I won't close them if that's what you wish me to do," McKenna said with a glare. "Run your clubs, but bring your A game when you're making decisions that impact the Empire, yes?" she asked. "My Empress you have my guarantee, of the fullest level," he paused, "though I trust the Imperial Police will look the other way for certain things?" The Empress sighed, "I will give comment neither way there, just behave yourself okay?"

"I'll do my best, best you'll get out of me," he replied with a chuckle. "Mhm," she would simply reply. "Be on your best," she continued, "I hear the engine of our first guest." "My Empress, I promise I'm always on my best," McKenna replied. "Full of yourself as always, keep that A-game face on," she sighed.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Daitō on August 07, 2023, 08:01:28 AM
   It had been a little while since Eijirō had visited Dunwich, the last time, acting on the behalf of his father in the days leading up to accession to the throne. It was here that he had struck a deal with the then-Empress of Rokkenjima, Evanthe, and where he had gotten his first real taste of diplomacy. Of course, that treaty had fallen to the wayside after the events of the last year, especially the conflict which had broken out between their two nations. Since then, he had most recently been in the country back in June, where he had hashed out a "treaty of friendship", though some back home had felt it the wrong decision to make. It had, perhaps, been too soon then, but now, a new opportunity had arisen to not only further mend ties, to, in effect, restore the status quo ante bellum, so to speak, but to also achieve the dream of Pan-Ardianism, something which had been pursued by generations of Daitōjin statesmen and intellectuals. It was for that reason, then, that he didn't come alone.

   For the last few hours, both on the flight out of Hyakuri Air Force Base and then the drive from Dunwich, Eijirō had enjoyed the company of the Prime Minister, Sadazane Konishi. Konishi had long been an advocate for further economic integration among the East Ardian states, having even spearheaded EAFTA throughout the 2010s and into 2022, so it seemed fitting that he be present for negotiations surrounding an organization which might, in time, supersede it. Even if it did no such thing, of course, it was felt that the Prime Minister's presence was helpful, as it granted further legitimacy to the treaty in the eyes of the people; though the Emperor was, of course, a man with deep influence within society back home, Sadazane enjoyed considerable popularity both among the general public and the Diet, something which would lend itself to ratifying the treaty if they both signed. Some had, of course, questioned this trip, after all, just over a week prior, a dirty bomb had been detonated in the Rokkenjiman capital, so the less informed might've thought it was too risky to go to the country. Those who were better informed knew that wasn't a danger, but they still cautioned against the voyage as this attack demonstrated that the country wasn't exactly safe. Either way, though, it was a risk which both men felt was worth taking.

   In time, the motorcade arrived at Shizukesa Palace, pulling up before the steps of the palace. As the flags affixed on the hood of the vehicle fluttered in the gentle summer breeze, the driver, the Emperor's personal chauffeur, stepped out first and, without missing a beat, opened the rear door and bowed. Eijirō was the first to exit the vehicle, followed by Sadazane, and together, they walked forwards to greet their hosts.
   "Your Majesty, it's a pleasure to see you again." Eijirō said with a nod. "If I may, given the recent attack in Pyrettania, I'd like to extend the deepest condolences of our people. Now, more than ever, I believe unity between our nations is most necessary as we face this ever-evolving threat."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Abertone on August 07, 2023, 11:05:22 PM
When the invitation had hit the combination of a nation that had recently been a victim of a dirty bomb and the proposal itself didn't immediately appeal to the Empire. The invitation however talked of it being merely a framework and those could be changed. Marco had, rather surprisingly said that he'd be attending however after discussion with various security agents that was determined to be unwise. The Emperors cousin, Graziano, was rather relieved about the fact as he didn't believe his cousin was really a skilled negotiator nor took such matters that seriously. It was frankly going to be best all round if the Consul attended rather than the Emperor.

On the day itself there was a short journey to Dunwich. Graziano had little time to reflect on the proposed framework but he'd ensured he was familiar with it. As he arrived just after the Daito delegation he left his security detail outside the Palace and made his way in. He bowed to the Empress. "I apologise for my cousins lack of attendance. Matters of the eastern part of the Empire required his attention." He excused Marco, it was common knowledge the east was experiencing some turbulence and so it was plausible that the Emperors attention would be needed. "You of course have our best wishes following the attack in Pyrettania, should we be able to help then we will." He turned, bowed to  Eijirō, "A pleasure to meet your Majesty." He said formally.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on August 08, 2023, 04:56:54 AM
The Empress would nod as the Emperor spoke, "Thank you, my friend, and while I've stated so in remarks allow me to personally offer the condolences of the Rokkenjiman People for the attack upon Awara. Sadly terrorism has been a facet of my life from a young age; I was targeted in my youngest days, kidnapped and then rescued by the Borlanders out of all the possibilities, kidnapped by Ofdensen's goons and now, terrorism strikes at the heart of the Empire itself and, for what? Because our People gave blood, supplies, and funds to those impacted? We must stand together, we've seen through the hellhole of Ofdensen what the alternative looks like, and we can never gaze on such a potential reality again. We'll face this threat together and I have all confidence that we will persevere."

"Honourable Prime Minister," she said with a respectful nod, "I thank you for joining us here today as well. I must commend you for your work on the EAFTA, a noble effort and one which has succeeded where past Rokkenjiman initiatives, such as the Association of East Ardian Nations, had failed to gain traction. I hope that your experience and, I believe, dedication to a shared vision will serve us well over the course of these meetings. I think a piece of the same dream landed in both of our minds, so, may we nurture it to fruition, yes?"

As her first guests were ushered into the Palace she extended a respectful welcome to Graziano. "Welcome to the First Empire, and thank you for your well wishes and offer to my Nation and People. "Your cousin's absence is excused and understood, I am certain that there are matters which demands his full attention and do not take it as a slight, I assure you. As we await further delegations I have prepared some light refreshments and entertainment in the sitting room, please take a moment to refresh yourself ahead of our formal discussions."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Viljandi on August 08, 2023, 11:36:44 AM
Empress Tanya Ydrakov pulled up driven by a government statesman, however there were 3 women in the back. There was Empress Tanya Ulisi Ydrakov, however there were 2 other women were Ulyana Helmar Yadrakov, Duchess of Novogorsk, and Katerina Elmira Ydrakov Duchess of Chelvgorod both 29 and 26 years old respectively.

Both fair skinned, blond haired, blue eyed, looking nothing like their sister the Empress of Skalvia, they are however half-sisters, from a different father, a doctor from Suomiland in the UVBR. All wore matching maroon dresses. They all got out of the car. Ulyana the middle child was standing at 163 centimetres tall had shoulder length hair, dead straight platinum blond hair, Katerina despite being the youngest of the 3 women was standing at 175 centimetres tall had more wavy sandy blond hair.

Katerina asked “Why did you bring us again?”

Empress Tanya responded sarcastically “Because I enjoy your company.”

Her sister Duchess Ulyana chimed in “Hilarious…Seriously”.

Empress Ydrakov replied, “Mother kept insisting I take both of you.”

Both women responded almost in unison “Of course.”

Katerina asked “I don’t know why you didn't just bring your Vynish boyfriend. Also, when are you going to marry him already? I mean you already have Zoya.”

“Oh my god did mum tell you to ask me that?”

“Well you’ve been together for 7 years and have a child together…I mean.. come on make it official.”

Tanya stared at her sisters blankly for a few seconds. “I’m going inside, before I do though I will have to insist that both of you be less…I don’t like your annoying selves and change your personalities entirely…Like at least for a few hours.”

Ulyana scoffed “Whatever.”

They then made their way to the entrance.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on August 08, 2023, 06:16:30 PM
Serena (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=2780.msg25446#msg25446) had one successful overseas visit under her belt. Her trip to the Theocracy of Kaitaine had been almost personally. With a large number of Bene Gesserit worshippers in Aotsa and being home to a Chapterhouse School she had made it seem like she was doing her duty in supporting members of her nation. The arrangement that now allowed the citizens of the Theocracy and Aosta simpler travel was on paper one she had been able to sell to the public as a cultural connection. In truth it had been one more designed to help her sisters in the Bene Gesserit faith, her secret faith. This now though placed her in a predicament. On one hand her advisers had said this potentially could be a benefit to the nation, on the other however there was the fact that in the past Rokkenjima had not spoken favourably on the Sisterhood.

She had agreed in the end to go in person but two advisers had come along with her. First was her Aide-De-Camp Olivia Adimari (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=2780.msg25447#msg25447) she was responsible for many important channels of communication to the Empress and as a result was almost like her shadow. The Air Force Officer was also a Truthsayer and as such shared the Empress misgivings about this meeting. Mattia Giordano completed the trio from Aosta. He was considered to be a leading light among the governments phalanx of lawyers and many believed one day he would be Minister of Justice. He was here to simply offer advice to the Empress on the legal implications of the discussions. The Empress lead the group into the Palace and up to the Empress of Rokkenjima and extended a hand, "Good Morning, thank you for having us here". She introduced her two underlings and then did the rounds of the others.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Achkaerin on August 08, 2023, 10:32:01 PM
for Xiaoling (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=49.msg686#msg686), Rokkenjima was a short hope across the water from Gowu, it was a trip she'd made a few times before, her job had over the years she'd held it meant that she'd spent plenty of time navigating the currents around the 'bigger fish' in the region. She was however under no illusions, she knew she was in the experience stakes the heavyweight here, she also knew she was the one with nothing to prove judging by the looks of the various other nations it was a mix of people who needed to make a mark and those who were at a meeting such as this for the first time, by contrast Xiaoling was still three years out from having to worry about re-election and she'd been to more than one of these things. Running a hand through her hair she approached in her usual deliberate manner, slowly and methodically taking in everyone already there. Given what was potentially going to be discussed there was the need for the presence of Molly Newton (https://independentorder.net/index.php?topic=49.msg3614#msg3614), the Gowu Minister in the Achkaerinese Government, she was there because while legally speaking Gowu had the power to enter into treaties on its own as per the Gowu Exemption Treaty Act of 2003 it had that power up to a point there were things that Gowu could not commit to because they were not within its devolved competences and that was where Molly came in, someone with the authority to cover what Xiaoling could not but not senior enough to outrank Xiaoling.

However despite their attendance both Xiaoling and Molly knew that this was far from a done deal, this idea had potential but it also had several hurdles to overcome, some more obvious than others and some that would only show themselves if certain paths were trod. The hilarity was that they did know McKenna, the future Viceregent had been given a bit of a crash course in meetings that they'd both been involved in, the Empress of Rokkenjima was a whole other factor. "Good morning Your Majesty." Xiaoling said "Mr McKenna." she smiled "Let's see what you can do with a blank page rather than the apparatus of a by gone age." not specifically her own words and Asuna would probably hear her aunt in them which was the point.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on August 12, 2023, 10:44:20 PM
"Empress Tanya Ydrakov, welcome back," she said with a smile. "As we're awaiting further arrivals please join our contemporaries in the sitting room where a spread of refreshments awaits. I look forward to joining you all shortly."

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Shizukesa Palace interior, visible to the guests of the Empress.

"Empress Serena III, Olivia, Mattia, allow me to welcome you to one of my favourite homes in Rokkenjima." She pointed to a particular staircase visible from the entrance of the Palace, "I often got in trouble hanging off the banisters up there in my younger days," she said as she pointed to the spiraling staircase, "and today I stand here hosting dignitaries from across our region for some most significant talks. I'm glad that you could make the trip and hope that we can produce something most productive by the time you all return home. An aide will lead you to my sitting room where refreshments are available. I'm humbled for the opportunity to host you."

"Good morning," the Empress would reply in response, McKenna answering with a respectful nod in turn. "You already know your way around," the Empress continued, "please head to the sitting room where I will join you all shortly? Light refreshments are available, and the most cozy seat is the one in the corner by the western-facing window," she concluded with a wink. "Let's see what we all can do," she would add as Xiaoling entered the Palace.

As she joined her guests in the sitting room the Empress let out an inaudible sigh, "My guests, thank you for joining me here today. I am pleased that my invitation received so many responses and look forward to drafting a future, a vision, for the region we all call home, that is more prosperous and offers our Peoples greater opportunities as we move into the future. We are all blessed with a shoreline, either on the Dauntel or the Strait of Shaw, and represent a region which is rich in resources, know-how, and economic opportunity. Just as the Peoples of the Illumic Channel have unified their efforts for their region I believe we, too, should unify our efforts to see that as one of us wins, all of us wins and further builds upon the inherent prosperity of our region." As the Empress continued tablets were dispersed to those in attendance with the provisional Dunwich Declaration displayed on the screen.

As she took a tablet of her own she looked to each of her guests, "We've a template before us, and I'm certain all of us have ideas as to where this idea, this seed yet to germinate, may grow from here. Rokkenjima has presented its basic ideas already, now it is your turn to take this shared tapestry before us and leave your marks upon it. Perhaps we should begin with what all of us seeks from this idea, or maybe we should ensure that larger economies do not stifle the opportunity and potential of those smaller who would be party to the ADSN; I leave it to you, my most welcomed guests, to set the tone as to the topics we first explore. Let us produce something we're proud to show our Peoples, and equally proud to sign once this Summit has concluded."

OOC: Further participation is possible, just assume you've already been greeted and proceed from that point.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on August 12, 2023, 11:11:16 PM
As they sat and the rest of the room filled with the other attendees Serena was interested in how things would start. She had two documents in her leather binder which she'd unzipped and held in such a manner as concealing them. Both creamy white bits of paper were covered in green pen scrawl. As the Empress talked stopped talking she looked out the corner of her eye and to the uninitiated it would appear that Olivia Adimari was merely loosening her fingers and fidgeting with the string that marked the page in her ledger but to the Empress, fluent in Bene Gesserit "doublespeak" it was clear "Now is the perfect time" the Empresses aide signed. Serena gave a small nod, more to herself than anything else.

"Empress I'm happy that you've invited us here and its actually convenient that you begin by talking about the Illumic and their various arrangements. I am well aware King David spent many years discussing Illumic Self-Determination and at times your nation and his have not seen eye to eye over how that was interpreted. Now though that region is peaceful and prosperous showing such a body as what your suggesting does work. With that in mind and Illumic Self-Determination being such a corner stone I believe we should perhaps consider the notion of Straits Self Determination. The ASDN, or whatever name we finally settle on, will at some point have to face a test in how it handles things. Very few existing relationships exist between us so perhaps a test is needed before we from this body to see if we are capable of co-operating."

She laid her own piece of paper on the table.

Quote from: Dauntel and Shaw Nations Statement on Troyes

CONCERNED about the current situation within the city of Troyes

MINDFUL that a clear message has been sent from the citizens of the city regarding their future

COMMITTED to the notion of people being free to shape their own future.

The nations gathered on this date in Rokkenjima believe the following.

1. The City of Troyes should return to the nation of Marseilles.

2. The Kingdom of Seaforth should remove, as soon as realistically possible, its armed forces from the region.

3. The Kingdom of Seaforth be permitted to remove any sensitive or classified materials from its military establishments.

4. As the people of Troyes have contributed to the Royal Treasury of Seaforth the Kingdom of Seaforth is to ensure Troyes military establishments are left functional. This to be achieved with co-operation with the Marseille military.

Agreed by....


"Consider this a kind of trust fall exercise before the main work can begin. "  Serena sat back leaving the document on the table.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Daitō on August 13, 2023, 08:46:56 PM
   Ever since Seaforth had illegally occupied Troyes, now roughly six or seven years ago, Eijirō had viewed the country with suspicion. It was true that many in the city and surrounding regions sought its return—sought reunification with their Marseillais brethren—and so, it would be wrong to deny them that right. Elections had demonstrated this desire, yet even so, there was no sign that the Seaforthian government would budge. Even if it weren't, as the Aostan Captain said, a "test", he would support such a measure. The people had chosen their future, and now, it was on King Andrew to respect their wish for freedom. Besides, none of what was being proposed was particularly objectionable to him, and Eijirō suspected that few others would see it differently. Perhaps the Rokkenjimans, given their ties with Seaforth, but even that could be called into doubt.
   "I see nothing, with regards to this statement, that the Empire of Daitō would oppose. It is my firm belief that Troyes is, as of the present, illegally occupied by the Seaforthian military, and that should we allow it to continue, we would be setting a dangerous precedent going into the future." He said. "If this project, this 'ADSN' is to succeed, we must be firm in our commitment to the freedom of all peoples within the region to decide for themselves their future."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on August 14, 2023, 03:46:59 PM
Sutāraito read over the paper following Eijirō, allowing McKenna to read over it himself. A Seaforthian himself, nephew of that McKenna, he whispered to her before she stood from her seat. "If we are to see a new start today, let it be the start of an era where all nations who border the waters of the Dauntel and Shaw have their futures, and their sovereignty, fully under their control. The Seaforthian occupation of Troyes is a relic of a bygone era and it is the opinion of the First Empire that their continued presence in our region has long since reached the moment it should have ceased." She opened a drawer in a table and produced a pen and with a swift motion of her wrist returned the paper to her.

Quote from: Dauntel and Shaw Nations Statement on Troyes

CONCERNED about the current situation within the city of Troyes

MINDFUL that a clear message has been sent from the citizens of the city regarding their future

COMMITTED to the notion of people being free to shape their own future.

The nations gathered on this date in Rokkenjima believe the following.

1. The City of Troyes should return to the nation of Marseilles.

2. The Kingdom of Seaforth should remove, as soon as realistically possible, its armed forces from the region.

3. The Kingdom of Seaforth be permitted to remove any sensitive or classified materials from its military establishments.

4. As the people of Troyes have contributed to the Royal Treasury of Seaforth the Kingdom of Seaforth is to ensure Troyes military establishments are left functional. This to be achieved with co-operation with the Marseille military.

Agreed by....

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Empress of the First Empire of Rokkenjima

"I do hope there is no offense in my signature so swiftly, however, there has been a long history between the First Empire and the Kingdom. My future Vicegerent is himself Seaforthian, as well as the recent reign of my aunt who has her own multiple ties to Seaforth. McKenna has given me sound advice and despite our long history and our various ties it is the duty of those who share bonds of friendship to show when they are not on the right path. It is my hopes that the Kingdom will do the right thing and make a swift and proper withdrawal from Troyes as well as taking all measures within their capacity to act in a responsible manner because they do have a responsibility to see that Troyes, post-Seaforthian involvement, is left in a good position."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Abertone on August 16, 2023, 10:56:18 AM
As Sutāraito signed the document Graziano shook his head. "I am sorry but I must protest." He began, "First I wish to state I agree with a lot of what Empress Serena said, particularly that many of us have no existing ties and that this is in effect a test. I believe though we have just seen a failure of this test. The statement the Empress of Aosta presents will stand as the voice of this meeting, you could consider it the first statement from what our host hopes will become a cross-ocean partnership yet it has had the input of one nation and is now being signed without hearing all voices and therefore allowing for descent. Is this how the body will work, as soon as the views of one nation is presented all those who agree will automatically back it? If that is to be the case then we simply have the system we have now where each nation operates completly independently. I would request that the Empress of Rokkenjima withdraw her signature until we have had a chance to reflect on this matter." He waited to see her decision before continuing.

"Now to the best of my knowledge the Seaforthians have not mistreated or oppressed the people of Troyes, following the war there Troyes has become once more a major port.  The Seaforthian government have allowed the people there to voice their views and as far as I have seen they have not sought to stop peaceful protest. They even had armed men outside their military HQ's and there was no incident. So lets keep that in mind we are not talking of some Silverhills Ozzie style movie where an evil power brutally enslaves and oppresses the people. I do though believe that Troyes should be Marseilleian. Currently though their is a wave of fierce pro-Marsailles, anti-Seaforth sentiment there. I am concerned that should the Seaforthians withdraw what would be the fate of the Seaforthians living there, lets remember around a million Seaforthians live there. They are a minority yes but a sizeable one and many of them have been there a long time. We have not seen in any of these discussions anything about these people. If we put out the statement written by Empress Serena and then God forbid any reprisals by taken against Seaforthians remaining or any future discrimination then part of the blame for that will lie at our door. I also disagree with Seaforth having to leave the establishment operational or pay for it. It was restored to operational standards through the Seaforthian purse and as a result the Republic of Marseille have not had to pay anything towards it. We are not talking on the wholesale destruction of a military base, we are talking of removing sensors, removing computer programmes, removing weapons systems, all thing the Republic would have had to pay for anyway. Even if Seaforth left everything behind Marseille would have to switch things over to fit their own systems.Therefore before I sign anything I want something in there giving assurances against this. I am therefore taking the liberty of amending what Empress Serena has brought before us.

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CONCERNED about the current situation within the city of Troyes

MINDFUL that a clear message has been sent from the citizens of the city regarding their future

COMMITTED to the notion of people being free to shape their own future.

DETERMINED that the Seaforthian citizens of Troyes deserve dignity, respect and safety

The nations gathered on this date in Rokkenjima believe the following.

1. The City of Troyes should return to the nation of Marseilles.

2. The Kingdom of Seaforth should remove, as soon as realistically possible, its armed forces from the region.

3. The Kingdom of Seaforth be permitted to remove any sensitive or classified materials from its military establishments.

4. There should be no action taken to impede any citizen of Troyes relocating to Seaforth taken by the Republic of Marseille.

5. Any Seaforthian citizen remaining in Troyes should be given the option of becoming a Marseille citizen.

6. Should any action be taken to deny Seaforthian citizens remaining the same rights and freedoms of a Marseille citizen the signed nations shall undertake action to protect those people.
Agreed by....

"This I would sign, I await the opinions of others." He glanced at each of the five other leaders, some of which had yet to voice an opinion on the matter, hopeful of something positive.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Viljandi on August 16, 2023, 11:55:55 AM
Empress Tanya Ulisi Ydrakov I simply sighed “I know my nation isn’t exactly connected to this situation, nor really is one to speak due to its actions in the recent past, but I have to agree with what Consul Lupin has said. If the Seaforthian gradual and peaceful withdrawal would be best. If the Seaforthian military hasn’t actively oppressed the citizens of Toyres then forceful removal I wouldn’t think is warranted. We know what it is like when a situation escalates way to fast to the point where it can no longer be controlled. In any case like many of you I do believe in the principle of the Republic of Marseille getting the Tores back and allowing the Seaforthian minority to either return to their homeland or have an option to stay and find a way towards citizenship. It’s only fair, on this matter however I’m afraid that is all I can say.”
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Lakhzovia on August 19, 2023, 02:20:42 PM
Crown Prince Laurenz of Rhand spoke up "As a close neighbour of Marseille our primary concern is with the continued stability of the country. I firmly believe that the future will see Troyes reincorporated into Marseille, the people have made their feelings clear on the matter and I fear that delaying the fulfillment of these desires has far greater potential to create instability than an orderly withdrawal of Seaforth forces and a peaceful reintegration fully supported by the regional powers.

I am therefore completely in favour of signing the document as it is, perhaps with some additional guarantee of the rights of the Seaforthian minority."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Achkaerin on August 19, 2023, 03:42:29 PM
Xiaoling and Molly glanced at each other, they'd known there'd be moments where Molly would have to step in but they'd expected that to come in proof reading not right off the bat. Taking a deep breath Molly picked up the piece of paper and looked at it for a moment "It strikes me that we're having a conversation that really comprises two if not three parts." Molly said "Firstly do we believe that Troyes is Marseilles territory? Given that the Government of Marseilles has at no point agreed to any form of arrangement with Seaforth in relation to Troyes it seems very clear to me that the city is Marseilles territory, it should also be noted that what Seaforth claims as its justification for this so called 'protectorate' status no longer holds any water and their lack of action confirms the very clear reality that what Troyes represents is a land grab by Seaforth. It is therefore on principle that we must support what Empress Serena has presented us with which is that Troyes is Marseilles territory and that it should be returned to Marseilles." She took a moment to think about how to word this next bit "Having answered yes to that question we then have to consider what such a return should look like in our opinion, in principle there are two parts to that - the removal of the Seaforthian military presence and also guarantees regarding the safety of the people of Troyes. I believe that Prince Graziano has provided sufficient additions that see the latter addressed, in the case of the former I do have a concern in that I find the wording of point two somewhat ambiguous rather than saying 'as soon as realistically possible' I'd prefer to see a date named for when we expect the Seaforthian military to be withdrawn. So perhaps something like this?"

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CONCERNED about the current situation within the city of Troyes

MINDFUL that a clear message has been sent from the citizens of the city regarding their future

COMMITTED to the notion of people being free to shape their own future.

DETERMINED that the Seaforthian citizens of Troyes deserve dignity, respect and safety

The nations gathered on this date in Rokkenjima believe the following.

1. The City of Troyes should return to the nation of Marseilles.

2. The Kingdom of Seaforth should remove, by no later than 30th November 2023, its armed forces from the region.

3. The Kingdom of Seaforth should be permitted to remove any sensitive or classified materials from its military establishments.

4. There should be no action taken to impede any citizen of Troyes relocating to Seaforth taken by the Republic of Marseille.

5. Any Seaforthian citizen remaining in Troyes should be given the option of becoming a Marseille citizen.

6. Should any action be taken to deny Seaforthian citizens remaining the same rights and freedoms of a Marseille citizen the signed nations shall undertake action to protect those people.

Agreed by....

"There is one further point that needs thinking about." Molly said "This is to all intents and purposes a declaration that we as a group of nations would be making known, bear in mind that there is no obligation on Seaforth to agree to these terms, so in that event there will be a need for further discussion as to what the next stage is."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on August 22, 2023, 12:36:33 AM
"Forgive my eagerness," the Empress would respond, "I might add that I like where the additional language is going and thank all for their contributions to it. I also recognize that Seaforth has no obligation to oblige, yet both Rokkenjima, through Mr. McKenna and Gowu, are both uniquely positioned to place pressure upon Seaforth where appropriate and warranted; and beyond that, if we all stand together on this issue and say "Seaforth must go, we back our regional neighbours without doubt," Seaforth would have no option but to go. If they didn't, they'd be hypocrites thanks to the QAMB process which played out in the Illumic. We have the precedence, we have the right side of history at our back, let us see our regional mates free of foreign occupation and dictation. The incorporation of Troyes is a mistake we must rectify, if our aspirations for a joint organisation are to succeed."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on August 22, 2023, 10:26:59 PM
Serena was happy enough with the additions put forward by Graziano, end of the day it achieved freedom from Troyes, assuming that it worked but that was yet to be seen. "I believe we've reached a draft that achieves what I had asked for and hopefully puts the minds of the Consul and others at ease. I suggest then that we affix our signatures and the release this, it can be done before we even finish the talks, imagine the optics that gives that within just a few hours of even trying to come together as a region we've been able to make a decision and show support to people within our region. When I presented the document I said that it was to me a kind of test, at the moment I think we're on the brink of passing that test, now just comes the signing." She waited with a pen hovering over the document to see if there are any objections.

OOC - I suggest we perhaps say 48 hours real time and consider it a done deal?
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on August 23, 2023, 12:01:25 AM
OOC: I concur.

"I again state my support for the proposal as it presently stands. Let's say we take a half-hour (RL 48 hours, or until a majority has weighed in, whichever comes to pass first) after which we'll have seen the first example of cooperation amongst us. May it not be the last," she said as she looked to Serena. "Thank you," she continued, "if we're to succeed we can't just focus on the "fluffy" issues, we have to deal with the ones that are difficult as well, and you picked a most difficult one. Like our friends from Gowu said, however, it's not binding upon Seaforth to oblige. We may be in for a showdown in the future, but it's one which will have the full backing of Rokkenjima and I imagine all sat around us."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Daitō on August 23, 2023, 12:20:26 AM
   "Likewise, I am prepared to offer my support on this resolution." Eijirō responded after a moment of silence. "While I am certain that cooler heads will prevail and, in time, a peaceful settlement will be enacted, the people of Troyes will have the support of Daitō should this situation not evolve in a favorable manner." As it was not a binding treaty—Seaforth would need to be involved in negotiations for that—he couldn't help but feel, deep down, that the Seaforthian government might not back down, that it would not acquiesce, though it would be foolish not to.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Lakhzovia on August 24, 2023, 05:02:16 PM
"The Kingdom of Rhand remains in support of this agreement. While we recognise some of the ongoing concerns it is our firm belief that this will prove to be the first step towards a more stable and prosperous region."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Abertone on August 27, 2023, 08:32:39 PM
OOC- I'm assuming where all well past the 48 hours now so I hope this is OK.



With everyone who had agreed with Troyes being returned to the people of Marseille Consul Graziano was pleased that even if nothing else was agreed they had at least achieved something here. Graziano suspect that if Serena hadn't ruffled any feathers he was about to. "While I largely support the initial draft of the ADSN treaty, charter, whatever we intend to call it, there is a minor point of clarification that is needed. If I can call all your attention the following point from the draft. "2. To promote regional peace and stability through abiding respect for justice and the rule of law in the relationship among countries of the region and adherence to the principles of international norms;" This causes me some concern when written by a Rokkenjiman, please allow me to explain. You see at the time of its formation there were several people who spoke out about the Abrahamic Decleration of rights, and while I understand this government of Rokkenjima at the time may be described as lets say questionable, a member of the Rokkenjiman government said "We must see that the MCUR, not the Abrahamic Declaration, perseveres as the guarantor of rights". Now this clearly means that we face an issue, the charter says "principles of international norms" and clearly both Abertone and Rokkenjima for example have clear differences about what these "Norms" are. I think perhaps we need you to clarify what we are talking about when we say norms as despite geographically being neighbours the culture, values and traditions of say Abertone and Daito are very different, what an Abertonian would consider to be a norm, Daito may not. So therefore what exactly do we mean?"
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on September 01, 2023, 11:36:33 PM
The Empress sat for a moment, contemplating the words spoken, before standing with a smile. "There are many ways in which the Abrahamic Declaration matches up with the very bedrocks of international norms," she began, "I do believe my grandfather pointed out the many intersections which exist between that Declaration and such documents as the MCUR and the Uppsala Convention; in some ways it's similar to how, in the Abrahamic Faiths, there are different creeds, different denominations, yet all seem to read from the same source material. The underlying norms are recognized by all and, regardless of the interpretation from which we're reading, there truly exists no clear difference between Rokkenjima and Abertone as to what those norms are, as they're clearly recognized by the MCUR, the Abrahamic Declaration and even Uppsala. The differences presented do not, in fact, exist when viewed through a lens which takes in all of the facts and data available on the topic matter."

"The point in question is international norms after all, which I feel are recognized through different interpretations which both Rokkenjima and Abertone prescribe to; the underlying source material is essentially the same in short, so while it's been presented as an area of contention such an area truly does not exist. While Rokkenjima has its issues with certain aspects of the Abrahamic Declaration this is not the place to discuss them, perhaps at a later date we can raise those concerns and hopefully see them addressed but, on the topic being discussed, I do not believe a gulf exists between us as you've suggested."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Viljandi on September 02, 2023, 12:05:13 AM
Empress Tanya Ulisi Ydrakov I sighed. "Alright, lets not get our heads in the clouds and return back to the topic at hand. We are here to establish a means of facilitating regional economic and to a lesser extent political co-operation. THe Uppsala convention and the Abrahamic Declaration and talk of such agreements is already going beyond the scope of this meeting. With that said With that said I have a possible idea of possibly, with the help of our neighbors in Rhand, Aosta, and Bahia of a something to integrate our energy sectors. But first I need to know if this is the appropriate occasion to discuss such an idea or if we should proceed with other topics?"
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Abertone on September 02, 2023, 03:19:49 PM
Graziano had to remind himself he was a mere Consul speaking in a room full of royals. He was used to dealing with his cousin but there he had the benefit of the family bond allowing him a little leeway, that and he would rather busy himself with other matters rather than those of state. He paused for a moment as he considered what to say to Empress Sutāraito however Empress Tanya got there first causing him to change his wording. "With respect Empress Tanya the discussion on energy integration is not a matter that impacts the vast majority of us here and as much as such projects can be important if they are to be discussed as part of a body such as what we want to create then we need to do so within a framework. That framework needs to be established from the beginning. Its not enough to sit around a table and just say we're going to co-operate, at some point in the future it is saly inevitable that there will be some crisis, incident or conflict that will feature two of us on opposing sides. That I am sad to say is simply the nature of the world that we live in and when such a thing happens we will need to have a document, charter, call it what you want in place to smooth over those times." Graziano turned back to the Rokkenjiman Empress, "Your initial idea talks about co-operation in economic, social, cultural, technical, scientific and administrative fields. I have an interest in that, I therefore don't think we need muddy the waters by discussing international norms, despite what you say I think there are and will be times we disagree on what those things are but that doesn't stop us co-operating in the fields that you want to. I suggest therefore we remove any reference to that term. Beyond that my concern is the charter sets nothing in stone, it talks about co-operation and the establishment of ad hoc or permanent committees. As there is no outline of any of these committees existance or purpose it make me wonder do we need such a body, after all we've already seen Empress Tanya try and conduct a meeting between four nations for co-operation and we saw the Krimeon nations respond swiftly to piracy without such. So perhaps we need to consider one of two paths, first do we need to have some actual plans of action set up within the group or are we just creating a communication conduit?"
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Achkaerin on September 05, 2023, 12:10:29 AM
"Quite." Xiaoling said with a nod in Graziano's direction "The Consul is correct, we were invited here to explore the potential for a regional organisation based around various areas of cooperation. We have demonstrated our ability to cooperate already in agreeing in regards to Troyes, what we are now faced with is as put by the Consul the question of what are we wanting to build? Whether it be a communications conduit or something more established the likelihood is that both models are going to end up discussing the same things. My way of looking at this is to ask a different question - do we want this organisation to be a 'voice'? I would submit that through the matter raised by Empress Serena we have already seen the nations in this room, the nations that could form this organisation, speak with a single voice. I would suggest if that's the intent then a committee is perhaps the way to go, one ambassador each, one vote each. If we need to get experts in should we find ourselves dealing with particularly niche subject matter then that is easily accomplished, so I don't see the need in any case for Ad-Hoc Committees and Permanent Committees of specialists and officials on specific subjects. when ultimately it is mechanically the same meeting, this is a regional organisation it is not the CTO, it needs far less to make it function, in fact a standing committee needs only a home, appointed ambassadors and basic rules with regards voting to function. A communication conduit doesn't require the home but requires everything else, it's just the case that the committee would in effect be meeting in an online format, either way clarification around decision making is required."

All while she'd been speaking she'd been making a few notes which she now slid on the table.

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The ADSN Declaration (Dunwich Declaration) Dunwich, [DATE OF SIGNATURE]
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The First Empire of Rokkenjima, [ADDITIONAL NATIONS];

MINDFUL of the existence of mutual interests and common problems among countries of the Dauntel and the Straight of Shaw and convinced of the need to strengthen further the existing bonds of regional solidarity and cooperation;

DESIRING to establish a firm foundation for common action to promote regional cooperation in the Dauntel and Straight of Shaw in the spirit of equality and partnership and thereby contribute towards peace, progress and prosperity in the region;

CONSCIOUS that in an increasingly interdependent world, the cherished ideals of peace, freedom, social justice and economic well-being are best attained by fostering good understanding, good neighbourliness and meaningful cooperation among the countries of the region already bound together by ties of history and culture;

CONSIDERING that the countries bordering the Dauntel and Strait of Shaw share a primary responsibility for strengthening the economic and social stability of the region and ensuring their peaceful and progressive national development, and that they are determined to ensure their stability and security from external interference in any form or manifestation in order to preserve their national identities in accordance with the ideals and aspirations of their peoples;

AFFIRMING that all foreign bases are temporary and remain only with the expressed concurrence of the countries concerned and are not intended to be used directly or indirectly to subvert the national independence and freedom of States in the area or prejudice the orderly processes of their national development;

DO HEREBY DECLARE:

FIRST, the establishment of an Association for Regional Cooperation among the countries bordering the waters of the Dauntel and the Strait of Shaw to be known as the Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN).

SECOND, that the aims and purposes of the Association shall be:

1. To accelerate the economic growth, social progress and cultural development in the region through joint endeavours in the spirit of equality and partnership in order to strengthen the foundation for a prosperous and peaceful community of Dauntel and Shaw Nations;
2. To promote regional peace and stability through abiding respect for justice and the rule of law in the relationship among countries of the region. and adherence to the principles of international norms;
3. To promote active collaboration and mutual assistance on matters of common interest in the economic, social, cultural, technical, scientific and administrative fields;
4. To provide assistance to each other in the form of training and research facilities in the educational, professional, technical and administrative spheres;
5. To collaborate more effectively for the greater utilization of their agriculture and industries, the expansion of their trade, including the study of the problems of international commodity trade, the improvement of their transportation and communications facilities and the raising of the living standards of their peoples;
6. To promote shared Dauntel-Shaw studies;
7. To maintain close and beneficial cooperation with existing international and regional organizations with similar aims and purposes, and explore all avenues for even closer cooperation among themselves.

THIRD, that to carry out these aims and purposes, the following machinery shall be established:

(a) Annual Meeting of Foreign Ministers, which shall be by rotation and referred to as ADSN Ministerial Meeting. Special Meetings of Foreign Ministers may be convened as required.
(b) A Council, consisting of representatives of each member nation, any member shall be entitled to propose any motion they wish. Each member shall have one vote.

(b) A Standing committee, under the chairmanship of the Foreign Minister of the host country or his representative and having as its members the accredited Ambassadors of the other member countries, to carry on the work of the Association in between Meetings of Foreign Ministers.
(c) Ad-Hoc Committees and Permanent Committees of specialists and officials on specific subjects.
(d) A National Secretariat in each member country to carry out the work of the Association on behalf of that country and to service the Annual or Special Meetings of Foreign Ministers, the Standing Committee and such other committees as may hereafter be established.


FOURTH, that the Association is open for participation to all States which border the Dauntel Sea, the Rokkenjiman Sea or Strait of Shaw who subscribe to the aforementioned aims, principles and purposes.

(a) Any prospective member of the organisation must be admitted by majority vote of the membership

FIFTH, that the Association represents the collective will of the nations which border the Dauntel Sea and Strait of Shaw, to bind themselves together in friendship and cooperation and, through joint efforts and sacrifices, secure for their peoples and for posterity the blessings of peace, freedom and prosperity.

DONE in Dunwich on this
  • day of [MONTH], [YEAR].
"This is where I believe we presently stand in terms of what has been discussed so far." Xiaoling said
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Viljandi on September 07, 2023, 10:37:09 PM
Empress Tanya Ydrakov sighed  and spoke in a respectful yet firm tone. "What exactly is the nature of the agreement? Because I see nothing about anything concrete, nothing about the reduction of  tarriff or non tarrif barriers to trade, visa agreements, military matters, some common policies regarding trade or industry. no standard setting. I see a lot of adhoc ideals, but nothing concrete. If this is to only work together and set up a vague setting of meetings whenever we can then you don't need us here if there is nothing concrete. There is a lot saying about promotion or collaborating, but nothing about the actual details of how this needs to be implemented other than forming committees of ministers, if we want greater regional prosperity in the fields of  economic, social, cultural, technical, scientific and government administration, then we would be talking about those matters which actually make this happen. If this isn't the case then you don't need us here. What this is is merely a template. Not an actual agreement. this is a skeleten. I'm sorry to waste your time everyone, feel free to send a delegate to Korongorod."

She then turned to the Rokkenjiman Empress "We will leave if you so wish your majesty."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on September 08, 2023, 12:20:37 AM
"You might remember from my invitation where I stated 'this is a most basic framework, and where we take it from here is fully within our hands to determine,' this path chosen was done for a reason. It would have been fine for me to outline everything in fine detail, down to the final bolt so to say, but that approach would not have set a tone for cooperation. In the past we've seen many treaties which Rokkenjima has proposed where that has been the case as some of my predecessors felt they had the answers for everything, now, if I wanted to see an organisation purely of Rokkenjima's vision for the region I wouldn't of wasted anyone's time in inviting you all here; I could have simply dispatched the treaty with an invitation to sign it or pass on it, and I'm imagining there'd be more rejections than signatures. Looking at what Xiaoling has put on the table this would be the natural time in which we start making proposals about those finer details, establishing what we're looking for in terms of reductions to trade barriers, visa requirements, defence concerns, etc."

"I would recommend we begin with matters of tariffs and trade, before moving on to visas and defence concerns. Just as all sat here you were invited to share your ideas; I did not present a finished product, nor did I promise to in my invitation, because it will take the ideas of all sat here to ensure we've a viable organisation moving forward. There's nothing I can do to stop you from leaving, however, you'd be leaving at the moment where your input shapes the future of this proposal. I'd hate to think you'd wasted your time thus far just to leave now."

"With that being said," she turned her attention to the rest of the room, "we've a collection of many different economies represented in this room. Reducing barriers to trade, while ensuring that we do not enact measures that would be a concern to others given the different scales of economies that we have, is the first task before us. The floor is open to proposals."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on September 10, 2023, 04:32:53 PM
Serena was happy to sit back and listen while the two other Empresses seemingly had different views. "I'll explain where my nation sits. We do not want full tariff removal. Our economy has an outstanding agricultural and processed foods sector for example. The problem this organisation has in a way is so does the Eastern part of Abertone. As a result if we remove tariffs our own and Abertone's Eastern Empire agricultural markets will be coming head to head and while competition can be good the average workers wage in the East of Abertone is much lower than our own. Potentially our own markets become flooded with Abertone wheat for example and our pasta begins to be made with foreign wheat before being exported to the rest of the region meaning our farmers loose out. They're are likley other such conflicts of interest around the table. What I propose therefore is this. Each year every member nation producers a list of their tariffs for the coming year. We agree that, unless a seperate treaty exists, we all are charged the same tariff rate and that the rate on each item, product, material etc is lower for ADSN members than other nations. For example we may put a 5% tariff on wheat imports into our nation on the ADSN but 6% on non-ADSN members. This promotes regional trade but allows us who wish to protect our economies.

Now in terms of other areas I would like to propose the establishment of the ADSN Science Consortium. I would like to see a body set up that would see each of us who are willing invest a lump sum each year. As such we each receive a equal share of the Consortium. We recruit and fund scientists, engineers and the like and let them be about their work. When they patent something new or unlock some research we all get an equal share of it. For example we saw Heyra and East Moreland work together to create the vaccination for the Yellow Tongue outbreak, their drugs companies no doubt making a profit from its development. We could then utilise the body to undertake such work on our behalf and maybe get the body to be self sustaining in terms of funding."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Abertone on September 11, 2023, 09:27:08 AM
Graziano couldn't help but smile a little when Serena mentioned the disparity between the East and West of the Empire. It was true, wages were much lower and the cost of living in the East reflected that. While the West seemingly now ran on financial centres, small scale high tech manufacturing the East still ran on farms and factory assembly lines. "Her Imperial Majesty is correct" Graziano began, "There are sectors each of us wish to protect but also wish to deal in. I suspect a farmer in the East of our Empire would love to sell his wheat to the pasta manufacturers of Aosta his heart only breaking as it will not go into an excellent Abertonian ravioli" He gave Serena a smile confirming that he was only trying to have a friendly rib at a nation whose cuisine was similar to his own nations. "Whatever mechanism we put in place none of us are going to be able to sell it to those back home if it creates undue stress and harm to our own industries. We all want markets, but we also want our own industries to flourish, what does it matter if we say to a farmer from a poor Eastern province that we've opened up a market to potentially hundreds of millions of people if we also flood our own internal market with the same good they're trying to sell. I therefore would support Empress Serena's suggestion. Now in regards to her Science idea then I am a little more concerned. I like the idea of scientific co-operation and the Consortium seems a good idea, however my concern is thus, what if those of us around this table all agree and end up with lets say an even distribution of 20% each. Then our Consortium produces the next vaccine to a major outbreak, Abertone would like to sell that patent to drugs companies meanwhile Aosta being big hearted wish to give it away. I would not be happy seeing our investment controlled by others. I also have a concern that if say those of us here all contribute our membership fee of say $20million and get our 20% , then next year we pay our fee again and the year after and then say Tytor, who are not here today but could well have been, wish to join. Are we saying that if they contribute $20million they get say 15% and our own 20% get diluted down despite the fact we'll have invested close to $100million into the Consortium while Tytor would have contributed a mere $20million. If we're forming the Consortium I believe that once it is formed then any new members would have to buy their way in by matching historic contributions."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Daitō on September 16, 2023, 09:40:25 PM
   Sadazane had been listening to the conversation, finding that he agreed on many things and disagreed on others. In particular, like both Serena and Graziano, he didn't support a total removal of tariffs, as it had the potential to harm several Daitōjin industries ranging from agriculture and petroleum extraction to chemical production and automobile manufacturing, even if it would further open up new markets. That being the case, however, he acknowledged that a that such a removal was not even in the cards, as the expressed goal of this summit was the establishment of a Free Trade Area, not a customs union like the Empress and Consul seemed to think.
   "While I believe that the Empire of Daitō would not benefit from a total removal of tariffs, I fail to see why such a notion is even being contemplated. After all, to my knowledge, there has not been any indication that this Association that has been proposed is one that will constitute a customs union. Yes, our host mentioned the creation of a Free Trade Area as the primary goal of this summit, which would entail a reduction in tariffs between those nations which are party to the agreement, but it is then a significant leap to presume that it would result in that." He paused. "This being the case, however, I am willing to support the proposal as it stands."

   "Now, as for this 'Science Consortium', while I would support its establishment, I must admit I have similar concerns to those shared by the Consul, at least on the second part. I will, however, note that forcing countries to buy into the consortium in such a fashion will only give a prospective future member of this association cause to ignore it. Perhaps instead of increasing the amount needed to join the consortium, the governments which are party to it will pledge to pay a set percentage of their GDP into it per year, at least until the consortium can be self-sufficient?"
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Viljandi on September 16, 2023, 10:55:21 PM
Empress Tanya Ulisi Ydrakov I listened carefully. But then contributed again."Customs union, free trade area, it doesn't matter to us. I will admit it. Skalvia unfortunately thanks to the mismanagement of my father is not as developed as I would like it to be. I mean on the east coast of the Strait of Shaw and the east coast on the Sea of Alucard is very well developed everywhere else in the country is uncertain. You have modern towns and cities, but also you have entire settlements where they live in the early 20th century, and initialising a war with a more developed state where we lost territory back in 1992 didn't help. However we are on our way with normalising relations ith our old enemenies with the Union of Vyn;landia & the Balthnian Republics. So that issue will be buttoned up, as for our economy, well we have enough reach to effortllllllllessly transport goods to the states that share a coast with the Straits of Shaw to the East Ardia states on the coast on the Sea of Alucard so shipping is not a problem. due to our geography, so the level of regional economic integration is not a concern for us...At least in however my at the moment at most we would be comfortable agreeing to is a customs union. However catering to other nations unique needs is also an option. A free trade area is probably best for now. and if needed other discussions of further integration can come later. As for the science consortium, well I have no reason to oppose that. Skalvia being a huge market for energy with our immense nautral gas reserves would like to co-operate in the area of biofuels and other fields of renewable energy. I will make a suggestion however that we invite the UVBR in that area, they may be our former enemies, but they are very adept in the fields of Computer Science, biotech and many fields of engineering, many Skalvian students study at their universities in those fields."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on September 16, 2023, 11:44:00 PM
"I am in support of a free trade area, as well as a progressive approach to the Science Consortium," the Empress would respond.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Achkaerin on September 17, 2023, 12:25:03 AM
"There's an awful lot of dancing around things going on here" Xiaoling said slowly "To some extent this goes all the way back to Empress Serena's point about trust. The bread and butter to treaties across Mundus are generally trade, diplomacy and travel all are leaps of trust and some are more difficult, especially when you go multilateral as this organisation would. Something like easing travel restrictions is usually accomplished by agreeing to what the limitations on travel are, an exchange of embassies tends to be accompanied by responsibilities, all of which have in the grand scheme of things minimal impacts." she took a breath "Trade is a level or two higher than that. We're all in the world of politics and whatever we agree here ultimately will have to be ratified back home, and the Consul and Empress Serena are correct that becomes significantly harder to get through back home when we don't have the safeguards to protect our own industries, decreasing tariffs to a universal rate between us is a fair compromise especially given how it has been suggested, it creates the market and establishes a rate that is actually needed otherwise why even have the discussion? the actual mechanism proposed is somewhat of a variation on a provision found in the Network of Crowns. But let's be clear wide open trade is a significant number of steps down the track from where we are right now. The proposed science consortium is a great idea and is supported, however I share the concerns raised, I do think there has to be a buy in but we'd have to maybe fix the rate to either historic contributions of a member over a set time or just have a flat rate that must be put in."

Xiaoling took a breath "Now the big challenge of those mentioned is going to be in the defence area but we'll deal with that when we get there. The point is and this will ring true throughout these talks - some of us know each other better than we know others but what we agree must reflect the whole of the meeting, if this is to work then everyone must be able to sell this back home. The art of diplomacy in moments like this is not necessarily about finding the ideal, or the popular view but the compromise view that gets everyone something they can live with."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on September 17, 2023, 02:00:51 PM
Serena found herself trying not to look at Empress Tanya as she spoke, each of the nations had problems, each of the nations had to overcome disparities in development, perhaps Gowu and Rokkenjima excepted. "I'd remind Empress Tanya there has long existed a mechanism to transport goods across Albion. The Aosta-Lodjain high speed railway has been in existence well over a year and through the mechanisms of the Council of Albion and the Treaty of Unified Nations of the Alucard (TUNA) we've been able to put in place a whole host of arrangements. So please lets be clear I will not bring our Empire into any agreement that means goods enter our nation with no controls or no tariffs. I would be open to a process of streamlined entry for goods and lower tariffs but not a total removal. As for things like defence I will not put Imperial Forces into a situation where we are bound to potentially send them to shed blood because of the actions of others in this room. While we are all from lands bordering the same ocean there is little else to bind us as our friend from Gowu has outlined. For now I would like to table this as a section of the agreement we are looking to make."

Quote from: Proposal

In order to effect more prosperous trading oppurtunities the nations signed as members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. Any export to a member nations shall be accompanied by a declaration that the export abides by all local laws. To ensure compliance the receiving nation may carry out any non-destructive test on any product arriving at their nation. Any product deemed to be not incompliance with local laws or not accompanied by a decleration shall see a fine of non more than 5 times the value of the consignment paid by the exporter.

2. On the anniversary of the signing of this document each member nation shall produce a list of tariffs to be paid by all member nations. Those tariffs may be set on any goods or items the nation wish. The tariffs set by each nation must be at a level lower than for any nation with which they do not have a current trade agreement with.

3. This agreement does not prevent member nations making their own trade agreements.

4. Any item with a value of less than $1million exported to a nation for temporary use shall be permitted to enter tariff free so long as it is for a period of less than 30 days.

"I believe this allows us each to protect the sectors of industry we need to protect but helps trade, I also believe the temporary entry clause allows us to carry out exhibitions and showcases with ease." 
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Abertone on September 18, 2023, 09:27:36 AM
Graziano looked at the suggestion for Empress Serena, while he believed Aosta and Abertone could end up competing for several of the same markets he also believed they shared some similarities. Perhaps he should arrange for his cousin to go visit, although he wasn't sure Serena may appreciate that. He looked over her suggestion once more and then spoke.

"I like the basis of the Empresses proposals. I would however like to add a 5th point if I may. I would like it said that "ADSN nations would agree to allow operations by businesses from other ADSN nations on condition that those businesses operate following local laws concerning taxation, employment, health and safety and environmental matters." Our own nation has some rather innovative micro-finance programmes run by respected businesses and I think they could provide oppurtunities within your nations as well as helping these micro-finance businesses continue being successful thus creating what I would hope would be a cycle of prosperity. I think Empress Serena's proposal is likely to help the large businesses like Abstergo more than perhaps smaller businesses and my proposal for article 5 would perhaps allow some smaller niche markets to expand too. I also support what she says on the matter of defence.  With the exception of Gowu and Rokkenjima the ties between those here in this room are woefully absent. Defence should be off the table beyond perhaps sharing intelligence on things such as piracy and terrorism. This body will then give us ways to closer co-operate in other areas, bring about deeper ties and then the mechanism of the annual foreign minister meetings can see defence perhaps added at a later date."

His talk over he jotted down a note and handed it to one of his aides who delivered it to Empress Serena. "I believe our nations see many things the same way. I would very much like to visit Aosta to discuss these more deeply if you would permit."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Viljandi on September 18, 2023, 12:19:09 PM
Empress Ydrakov thought she would rephrase "Empress Serena, perhaps you misunderstood me. I'm basically saying that we are flexible. I'm not asking or forcing anyone here to give up protections. Thats not my goal. I'm saying Skalvia is comfortable of any level of regional intergration that nations here are comfortable with, with the limit of being a customs union. As for your existing agreement and transportation mechanism, well that of no concern to us...So long as that is clear. Then fine. As for your proposal, well I see nothing that we would have an issue with. As for military matters Skalvia has no such ambition to join any military agreement of any kind, just stating that position to be clear."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Achkaerin on September 18, 2023, 09:57:47 PM
"I believe this is the proposed trade section as it currently stands including the Consul's proposed addition" Xiaoling said "Do correct me if I'm wrong"

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In order to effect more prosperous trading oppurtunities the nations signed as members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. Any export to a member nations shall be accompanied by a declaration that the export abides by all local laws. To ensure compliance the receiving nation may carry out any non-destructive test on any product arriving at their nation. Any product deemed to be not incompliance with local laws or not accompanied by a decleration shall see a fine of non more than 5 times the value of the consignment paid by the exporter.

2. On the anniversary of the signing of this document each member nation shall produce a list of tariffs to be paid by all member nations. Those tariffs may be set on any goods or items the nation wish. The tariffs set by each nation must be at a level lower than for any nation with which they do not have a current trade agreement with.

3. This agreement does not prevent member nations making their own trade agreements.

4. Any item with a value of less than $1million exported to a nation for temporary use shall be permitted to enter tariff free so long as it is for a period of less than 30 days.

5. ADSN nations agree to allow operations by businesses from other ADSN nations on condition that those businesses operate following local laws concerning taxation, employment, health and safety and environmental matters.

OOC - in the interests of keeping things moving might I suggest 48 hours before taking this as agreed unless there be objections to the article?
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on September 27, 2023, 04:00:47 AM
OOC: As no objections have been noted, we'll proceed.

"The proposed section as put forth is as such adopted with no objections,"  the Empress would gently say. "Now then, shall we address visas? It is the opinion of the First Empire that we are prepared to adopt a generous attitude in this sphere, but I am interested in hearing in what you all have to say before presenting my own ideas here."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on September 27, 2023, 07:32:27 PM
Aosta had a track record in the past of having welcomed people from afar, but things were changing. When they'd accepted the Bene Gesserit Aosta had vast stretches of farmland that needed labour, the Bene Gesserit brought wealthy with them and then things began to change, the world had modernised and now in the 21st Century there was  in Serena's view less need for the Empire to need people to do things for them. "I think we perhaps here may see division. I understand the CSTO and CSU had provisions for visa free movement of such. I personally don't hold with that 100% but I do believe if we're to help each other in circules such as science, business and even education then making it easier for some to move will be a good step. I therefore propose the following.

Quote from: Via Section

On order to ease the movement of citizens throughout the ADSN region members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. There shall the the establishment of a three path system for visas. These shall be the Short Term Visa, Business Visa and Educational Visa

2. The Short Term Visa shall be available to any individual who books return or onward passage via any means at least 30 days before the date of travel. So long as these dates are no longer apart than 60 calendar days then the individual may enter visa free so long as the receiving nation do not believe that the person poses a risk to the security or good order of the nation. Holders of this visa may not undertake any work while staying in the receiving nation.

3. The Business Visa shall be available to any individual who is travelling on business purposes. To obtain this an individual must have a guarantor from a business within the receiving nation. This visa shall allow an individual to remain in the receiving nation for 180 days and they may undertake paid employment while based there. This type of visa may not be renewed for 90 days. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

4. The Educational Visa shall be available to any individual who has obtained confirmation of the offer of an educational course within a receiving nation. This visa shall cover the entire duration of the course and will permit the holder to a maximum of 20 hours per work employment during their course.   Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

5. Any individual breaking the conditions of any of these three visa programmes is liable to deportation and may be banned from travel to the receiving nation indefinitely.

6. The home nation shall take all reasonable steps to ensure anyone deported and banned from travel is prevented from returning.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Abertone on September 28, 2023, 09:59:24 PM
Graziano studied the proposal. He broadly liked the ideas that Empress Serena had put forward. There were however a few issues that he had. "I strongly support the majority of what the Empress has put forward however I would like to make a few things clear. What concerns me is if we end up with large scale economic migration taking advantage of a 180 days and not perhaps contributing to the tax economy of the nation they are living in. I would want to see a measure put in where before leaving the nation on a Business Visa a person must present receipts showing that while in the nation they have paid the same amount of tax as a person from that nation would have receiving the same wage or making the same income. I would also like a provision put in place that a nation can access criminal records to ensure we can background check individuals arriving in our nation. At present we have no way of knowing whether that Rokkenjiman student arriving in our nation taking advantage of a Educational Visa is not for example someone convicted of say sexual assault. If we can find a way around these issues I'm happy to see your ideas added."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on September 30, 2023, 02:10:23 AM
"I believe that a database of criminal records, to be accessed only for the purposes of visa verifications, would be a solution to the concerns presented. I am also in agreement with receipts being presented and feel that the suggestion makes sense. While increasing the ease of travel is a goal doing so responsibly is the prudent course of action moving forward."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Achkaerin on September 30, 2023, 07:33:35 PM
One thing was for certain Serena and Graziano were showing all their diplomatic smarts. The big problem coming in had been consideration of what other nations had already signed, so far they'd avoided that mainly because everything agreed so far lined up with all the previous agreements and that now included this proposal on visa's. Xiaoling took a moment.

"Empress Serena's proposal is broadly the norm, it defines the types of visa, it defines lengths and other such things it is therefore supported. Likewise the Consul's points are equally agreeable but he does imply something else that we may need to consider, that of extradition. The Consul correctly identifies that a Rokkenjiman student travelling to Abertone that has been convicted of a sexual assault should not be allowed to take advantage of the visa, because and I don't wish to put words into the Consul's mouth but the reasoning is presumably that the Rokkenjiman student poses a risk. However assume for the moment that there is no conviction but that the student has committed a crime and uses the visa as a means of fleeing the jurisdiction, I think it appropriate that there be a mechanism that once the evidence is collected that it be possible for the student to be handed over to the relevant authority."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on September 30, 2023, 08:29:45 PM
Serena was pleased that it seeemed like so far she was broadly speaking getting the deal she believed that both she, and Aosta wanted. The point from Xiaoling was not going to be an issue however there was something Serena wished to get across. " I believe that extradition should not necessarily be automatic. There may be situations where in the future a member nation seeks to extradite someone and doing so would prevent fair trials or the accusation is malicious. I therefore would like to see that extradition takes place only after assurances are made in the courts of the nation in which the accused are based that the accused is going to get a fair trial. I also believe that as none of the visas were suggesting allow an individual to just turn up and travel the police background checks should flag up the accusation before they travel and as such I know Aosta would not allow the travel in the first place. It is also the case that should allegations turn up once they arrived we would consider them a risk to good order or national security, depending on the accusation and so under the terms of a visa they would be deported. I am though happy if our friend wishes to suggest some belts and braces wording. "
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Daitō on October 01, 2023, 12:19:23 AM
   "I am inclined to agree, at least with regards to extradition." Said Konishi, who had been listening in on the conversation before he would add anything. "While I wouldn't want to disparage the courts of the other nations represented here, there are certainly... differences in how they operate." He noted, briefly glancing at the Skalvian delegation before returning his gaze to the others. There were some things he had seen, been present for, which even now, after twenty-six years, yet lingered in his mind. Regardless of how he felt, regardless of what he thought of them, there was work still to be done. "Likewise, I would support the creation of a database for criminal records, as it would generally assist in the background checks already performed on foreign nationals entering the country." He paused. "However, I would like to propose one additional type of visa, one which it is my belief will prove beneficial to the ADSN as a whole."
Quote from: Visa Section
On order to ease the movement of citizens throughout the ADSN region members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. There shall the the establishment of a four path system for visas. These shall be the Short Term Visa, Business Visa, Educational Visa, and the Temporary Worker Visa.

2. The Short Term Visa shall be available to any individual who books return or onward passage via any means at least 30 days before the date of travel. So long as these dates are no longer apart than 60 calendar days then the individual may enter visa free so long as the receiving nation do not believe that the person poses a risk to the security or good order of the nation. Holders of this visa may not undertake any work while staying in the receiving nation.

3. The Business Visa shall be available to any individual who is travelling on business purposes. To obtain this an individual must have a guarantor from a business within the receiving nation. This visa shall allow an individual to remain in the receiving nation for 180 days and they may undertake paid employment while based there. This type of visa may not be renewed for 90 days. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

4. The Educational Visa shall be available to any individual who has obtained confirmation of the offer of an educational course within a receiving nation. This visa shall cover the entire duration of the course and will permit the holder to a maximum of 20 hours per work employment during their course. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

5. The Temporary Worker Visa shall be available to any individual who has obtained confirmation of employment in the receiving nation. The visa shall be issued based on several factors, including ones profession and the duration of their contract, and last between three months and five years. This type of visa may be renewed prior to its expiration, provided that one meets the requisite criteria. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation, then entry may be stopped.

6. Any individual breaking the conditions of any of these three visa programmes is liable to deportation and may be banned from travel to the receiving nation indefinitely.

7. The home nation shall take all reasonable steps to ensure anyone deported and banned from travel is prevented from returning.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Viljandi on October 01, 2023, 12:23:40 AM
Tanya studied the Visa agreements her ears perked up in terms of extradition and read the Daitojin's expression carefully. A lot of war criminals had fled Skalvia in 1997 and boyond and have gone into hiding, she would usually have the nations intelliagence services track them down and kill them, however she knew that not many nations would look kindly on that so she kept that opinion to herself. So she would just ask questions for now. "Can I ask. While we are talking about extradition I ask that if we are to provide assuences of a fair trial, what type of assurances would be needed. Or is that left to the discretion of both parties? Some rather unsavory figures have fled my nation in the late 90's with false identities, some we have managed to track. others have alluded us. In that respect, if we were to follow that framework that is being suggested here. How would we go about tracking down and brining those kind of people to justice?" She asked respectively wanted to gauge the situtation before she would suggest something different or sign.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Achkaerin on October 01, 2023, 12:59:15 AM
"If Empress Tanya will bear with me for a moment I'd like to first respond to the Daito Prime Minister and ask a simple question given what is implied by the business visa could he perhaps explain what the difference is between the business visa and the temporary workers visa he proposes to add as they largely seem to overlap." Xiaoling said "Now in terms of extradition to answer Empress Tanya's question I'll say that Empress Serena is correct it is the right of the nation being asked to request assurances, these will vary nation to nation, so for example if I was asked to hand someone over I'm asking for assurances of a fair trial, for which I would take the relevant article of the MCUR, I would also want to be clear that the death penalty was off the table, that's simple Achkaerinese policy which of course does not impact on your own respective processes so while we wait on the Prime Ministers clarifications allow me to provide the belt and braces:

Quote
On order to ease the movement of citizens throughout the ADSN region members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. There shall the the establishment of a four path system for visas. These shall be the Short Term Visa, Business Visa, Educational Visa, and the Temporary Worker Visa.

2. The Short Term Visa shall be available to any individual who books return or onward passage via any means at least 30 days before the date of travel. So long as these dates are no longer apart than 60 calendar days then the individual may enter visa free so long as the receiving nation do not believe that the person poses a risk to the security or good order of the nation. Holders of this visa may not undertake any work while staying in the receiving nation.

3. The Business Visa shall be available to any individual who is travelling on business purposes. To obtain this an individual must have a guarantor from a business within the receiving nation. This visa shall allow an individual to remain in the receiving nation for 180 days and they may undertake paid employment while based there. This type of visa may not be renewed for 90 days. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

4. The Educational Visa shall be available to any individual who has obtained confirmation of the offer of an educational course within a receiving nation. This visa shall cover the entire duration of the course and will permit the holder to a maximum of 20 hours per work employment during their course. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

5. The Temporary Worker Visa shall be available to any individual who has obtained confirmation of employment in the receiving nation. The visa shall be issued based on several factors, including ones profession and the duration of their contract, and last between three months and five years. This type of visa may be renewed prior to its expiration, provided that one meets the requisite criteria. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation, then entry may be stopped.

6. Any individual breaking the conditions of any of these visa programmes is liable to deportation and may be banned from travel to the receiving nation indefinitely.

7. The home nation shall take all reasonable steps to ensure anyone deported and banned from travel is prevented from returning.

8. In the event of an individual traveler in one nation being believed to be responsible, whether individually or as a conspirator, for criminal actions within the jurisdiction of another member state, the individual shall be extradited subject to the following being provided to the visited nations relevant authority.
a) Evidence of the wrongdoing
b) An understanding that the individual will receive a fair trial in a court of law

9. There shall be no obligation for the visited nation to extradite an individual to the death penalty.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Daitō on October 01, 2023, 03:26:56 AM
   "It's quite simple, really." Sadazane cleared his throat. "The business visa is largely confined to periods of just 180 days, which, I will freely admit, covers a part of what is being proposed under the Temporary Worker Visa. However, for those individuals working in a foreign country for longer than 180 days, being forced to renew their visa within half a year of their arrival could be... troublesome, we'll say. For example, let's say we have a teacher from Aosta working in Daitō. Normally, the school year begins at the start of the second week of April and ends in the first week of March. Let's then assume that this teacher arrives roughly two weeks before classes begin, so under the business visa, they'd have 180 days in the country. This would mean that, assuming they cannot renew their visa—something which can happen for any number of reasons—this teacher could only remain in the country roughly half-way into the school year, leaving them without work and said school scrambling to find a replacement.

   "With a Temporary Worker Visa, such as what Daitō already uses, such a situation is, barring the worst of circumstances, unlikely to occur. Why? Because the individual's stay is determined by the length of their contract, up to five years at a time at an absolute maximum. This means that a foreigner working in Daitō will not have to worry about not being able to stay, whether they will be able to complete their contract or not. Instead, going back to this example, under the 'TWV', said teacher would be allowed to stay until mid-March, providing enough time for them to make the arrangements to return home."

   Of course, though Sadazane didn't say it, he found that calling it a Business Visa was... confusing, given the contents of it. It appeared to be a work visa, however, it only lasted 180 days, similar to a standard short-stay visa. It also meant that there was room for confusion with actual business visas, which only permitted participating in commerce within a country. "In other words, either the current Business Visa being proposed should be retooled to better fit the standard of a Temporary Worker Visa, or it should be reworked to better fit the profile of an actual business visa as understood by most governments."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Abertone on October 04, 2023, 09:07:06 PM
Graziano might not have been the one to propose the approach of Empress Serena but he had liked her idea. "The Temporary Worker visa is in effect what we already have. You want to come and work in Abertone at the moment then we expect you to be able to offer skills in a shortage profession, we expect you to have funds to support yourself for the first few months until your pay starts rolling in and we carry out extensive background checks. I don't therefore believe we need this as an article for this organisation as nations already can have their own approach tailor made to their situation. The three concepts put forward by Empress Serena deal with new situations that will be made streamlined, Short Term makes holiday travel much simpler, Business means less planning is required for say a demonstrator to travel between our two nations to showcase products or attend perhaps a trade show, the Education visa opens up oppurtunities in a much more simple way for students. I have no intention of just opening up our employment market to the nations of the Straits"
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on October 09, 2023, 07:23:27 PM
Serena felt she somehow should repay Graziano for supporting some of her earlier points, it wasn't too hard as everything the Abertonian had said was pretty much in line with what she herself felt. Like Abertone the Empire of Aosta already had routes towards people gaining longer work permits. "I am afraid I too feel a kind of free for all would be a mistake, especially long term arrangements. I don't think a complete open worker system is useful in the long term and therefore this, at least in its current format, is not something I can support."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Achkaerin on October 13, 2023, 02:30:28 AM
"I tend to agree a free for all is not the best idea." Xiaoling said "Also having asked question, I don't see the need to have two what we might call employment paths here. The business visa is for 180 days, it's six months give or take a few days and it allows the person traveling to undertake paid employment. However the Prime Minister does have a fair point, a teacher for example may be contracted to teach abroad for an academic year that's on average nine months it seems a little odd that they wouldn't be able to fulfill the contract length. So if I may make a suggestion rather than create a free for all, let's put the decision making for such circumstances where it belongs which is with the relevant authority in the receiving nation, I propose the inclusion of a provision that allows the receiving nation to at their discretion increase the length of the visa, essentially allowing the nation to say yes to the increased length or stick to the 180 days. Equally this would allow for a student to study for their undergraduate degree abroad and then be able to request an extension on the visa to cover their studying of a postgraduate degree. I don't imagine this cirumstance arising with the short term visa but I believe allowing the receiving nation to exert discretion in this instance is a viable compromise. Which I believe leaves us with this."

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On order to ease the movement of citizens throughout the ADSN region members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. There shall the the establishment of a four path system for visas. These shall be the Short Term Visa, Business Visa, Educational Visa, and the Temporary Worker Visa.

2. The Short Term Visa shall be available to any individual who books return or onward passage via any means at least 30 days before the date of travel. So long as these dates are no longer apart than 60 calendar days then the individual may enter visa free so long as the receiving nation do not believe that the person poses a risk to the security or good order of the nation. Holders of this visa may not undertake any work while staying in the receiving nation.

3. The Business Visa shall be available to any individual who is travelling on business purposes. To obtain this an individual must have a guarantor from a business within the receiving nation. This visa shall allow an individual to remain in the receiving nation for 180 days and they may undertake paid employment while based there. This type of visa may not be renewed for 90 days. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

4. The Educational Visa shall be available to any individual who has obtained confirmation of the offer of an educational course within a receiving nation. This visa shall cover the entire duration of the course and will permit the holder to a maximum of 20 hours per work employment during their course. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

5. The Length of the above visas may be increased at the discretion of the receiving nation.

6. Any individual breaking the conditions of any of these visa programmes is liable to deportation and may be banned from travel to the receiving nation indefinitely.

7. The home nation shall take all reasonable steps to ensure anyone deported and banned from travel is prevented from returning.

8. In the event of an individual traveler in one nation being believed to be responsible, whether individually or as a conspirator, for criminal actions within the jurisdiction of another member state, the individual shall be extradited subject to the following being provided to the visited nations relevant authority.
a) Evidence of the wrongdoing
b) An understanding that the individual will receive a fair trial in a court of law

9. There shall be no obligation for the visited nation to extradite an individual to the death penalty.

Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on October 13, 2023, 08:31:18 PM
"This seems to be a fair path forward," the Empress would respond. "Are there any comments or concerns as to the proposal as it is currently worded?"
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Daitō on October 13, 2023, 08:50:16 PM
   "These terms are... Acceptable." Sadazane said with a nod; One of the first lessons he had learned from his time in the Diet had been the value of compromise, and in his eyes, the proposal raised by the Chief Councilor was a good in-between for the two opposing sides. It may have not been what he had wanted, hence his own proposal, but so long as all parties were satisfied, it stood a chance of standing the test of time. However, there had, as of yet, not been input given by all parties. While three delegations had agreed, if one counted the Achkaerinese counter-proposal as a vote in favor, they simply didn't have enough votes to push it forwards, not yet at least. For now, he would simply wait and see how the Abertonians, Aostans, and Skalvians would respond, whether positively or not. If they were in favor, then they could move on. If not, then it would be as simple as finding a way to accommodate their needs without damaging his nation's own interests.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on October 17, 2023, 09:27:16 PM
"We've three delegations in agreement thus far," the Empress would say, "and I personally believe this is the best path forward given the differing positions presented, and once we can find a position where we're all in agreement we can move onto defensive concerns. I'm not expecting a mutual defence pact this early on, nor do I view this as our final meeting in this process for our region, I very much feel what we have here today is just the first in a series of talks for us. I'd like to propose the next hour (OOC: RL=two days from now) for any objections or concerns to be raised before formally considering the proposal before us and moving on to the next topic. With that being said I do believe, on the next topic of discussion, we should limit the foreign military presence in our region and commit to an assurance that native, Dauntel/Shaw concerns always outweigh those outside of our region, that our destiny is always firmly within our hands."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Abertone on October 18, 2023, 08:17:38 AM
Graziano was pleased that so far things had been rather smooth but he suspected he was about to ruffle a few feathers. "The idea of an organisation attempting to impose limits on the manner in which a nation conducts defence is a tricky one. First off all as I look around the table I see Rokkenjima, Daitō and Achkaerin all with overseas bases often without consultation with the wider region. Take for example the recent agreement that sees Daitō and Preoria establishh NS LLwynbelan and NS Hirado. No consultation involving native powers took place there. The establishment of LLwynbelan even came amid talks being hosted in the region on naval security. Meanwhile Rokkenjima have in the past established military presence in the Illumic that lead to a long standing disagreement with East Moreland and even now maintain a base utilised by Dartfordia. While Achkaerin has establishments I believe in Vaguzia and as far as I know never consulted the Alba Karinya Organisation about such an arrangement. Now I am not at face value saying the existance of these things is neccessarily bad however I do believe their existence flies in the face of what was just proposed." He paused for a moment. "I am going to put on record that it has been a long term intention of my cousin and myself that Abertone will one day in the future seek closer ties with the CNN. We have friendships with many of the members already, especially Lodja" this was largely thanks to his cousin and his "diplomatic" adventures there. "Our first ever treaty under my cousin was with King David and we have had minor meetings with King Finley. If we become members there would obviously be times CNN military assets visited the region and we would not be seeking prior approval from this, or any other body. Therefore I'm not sure how we proceed."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on October 20, 2023, 02:38:50 AM
"I will respectfully reserve commentary upon the arrangements which Daitō has pursued and, likewise, will reserve commentary upon Achkaerin as it is Gowu which is a party to this talks; and I'll remind all seated here today that Gowu maintains its own system of government. I will instead focus upon the situation between Rokkenjima and Dartfordia, which is in itself unique amongst all of those. I have little idea why Daitō has pursued the approach it has, however, there will come a day where I will sit upon both the Rokkenjiman and Dartfordian Thrones; just as my mother I am not simply the Empress of Rokkenjima I am also a Princess of Littlebrook, thus arrangements between Rokkenjima and Dartfordia are most certainly a case unlike those you've listed. I would also note that QAMB came about via the invitation of an Illumic nation in a time which saw the United Soviet Russia posing a threat to free nations across the globe. Therefore, perhaps, even that case is most unlike the others you've listed."

"As for the CNN," she paused just briefly, "while I respect King David and view East Moreland as a friend of the First Empire, I recognize their flaws and I'll never forget the moment when Uí Ceinnselaig reintroduced blatant imperialism upon the Ardian continent. We saw them utilize the situation to their advantage, move in their settlers, allow those same settlers to vote in the referendum, and we now live in the reality my aunt warned we could never return to. Not once has the CNN spoken a word against what Ui Ceinnselaig did in Scordisci, and while much of Mundus may wish to move beyond that Rokkenjima maintains that what happened to Scordisci is perhaps the greatest unanswered crime of our era. We all saw the flux of Scordiscians fleeing conflict, leaving areas devoid of a population as per the reports of Ui Ceinnselaig themselves, only to be replaced by Ceinnselaig citizens. Allow me to quote my aunt on that matter."

Quote from: Empress Emerita Evanthe
"The truth is, Bruce, what is occurring within Scordisci has ramifications which shall extend far beyond her borders. When the First Empire, joined by the vast majority of the international community, joined together for the Commonwealth Conference we agreed that there was a better approach to international relations and maintaining peace and stability. We also firmly rejected the principle of past ages that 'might makes right'; that just because a great power may in fact possess the ability to do something, it should simply be accepted. We recognized that a set of international laws and norms maintains stability just as much as it sustains the rights of all nations to their sovereignty and self-determination. The moment we turn our backs upon those principles, to turn a blind eye to the scourge of imperialism as it once again rears its despicable face, is the moment where the world we fought so hard to create ceases to exist."

"This is why Scordisci matters so much. It is not only the future of Scordisci which hangs in the balance, but that of each People and Nation who call Mundus home. Allowing Ui Cennselaig free reign in Scordisci sends a very powerful message that such actions are endorsed, whether through inaction or complicit support in some cases, by the international community. The age of imperialism is dead, the age of throwing around military might without fear of repercussion is dead, but both may once again be empowered should we allow Scordisci to fall. If there was ever a greater moment for the Commonwealth to prove its true value to the international community in the post-Andean era, that moment is now. We cannot afford the failure of inaction, we must defend the values of the Commonwealth and the force of international norms and law, lest we return to an era none of us would wish to live in."

"And here we are in that world she warned of," she sighed. "I am only sorry that Rokkenjima was incapable of doing more to ensure the plight of the Scordisci was stopped then, however, I will note my aunt spoke at great length in attempting to persuede King Finely to a more civilized path, calls he ultimately chose to ignore."

Quote from: Empress Emerita Evanthe
"With the formation of the Commonwealth an overwhelming majority of the international community came together to prevent the types of unilateral actions we see taking place against Scordisci today. It is almost reminiscent of the United Soviet Russia's campaign against the Followers of Earagon, or their invasion of Safraen, whose only crime was to elect a government which did not align with Stalin's objectives or ideologies. Ui Cennselaig, if it wished to do the right thing, would pull its forces back within its borders and dissolve the fictional 'kingdom', returning the land to the Republic. The First Empire will not endorse any course of action which does not address these issues fully, and will seek a consensus-based approach with her partners in the Commonwealth to ensure the principles of international justice, as well as those of the Commonwealth, are upheld."

"What faith can be had in any plan for Scordisci which comes from the very nation which invaded it? Why did King Finley not fully pursue the vast array of diplomatic options to resolving the concerns of his nation before launching his war? Was any plan for action even considered for a proposal to the Cross Mundus Agency, an institution proposed to address the supposed shortcomings of the Commonwealth? Why did Ui Cennselaig not approach a number of diplomatic powers to pursue discussions or, alternatively, to bring diplomatic pressure upon the Republic to address the concerns of Ui Cennselaig? The answers to these questions may never be known, however, the international community did not allow Stalin the power to dictate Safraen's future, nor should it allow King Finley the power to dictate Scordisci's future."

"King Finley speaks not of Rokkenjima's attempts to outrun justice but the pursuits of a traitor and his associates to use his, and their, positions for their own campaign founded upon ill-will; nor did the Imperial Government call upon her allies, the Tarragonians aside, to white-wash the actions of those individuals. King Finley, your words and diversions do you nor your nation any great service. Bring your campaign to an end, dissolve this fictitious 'kingdom' and pursue a diplomatic avenue before that avenue is closed. I assure you, the consequences for remaining upon this path shall not be favourable to you, or Ui Cennselaig."

"Thus, one could argue, as the CNN has not once addressed the issues of Ui Ceinnselaig imperialism on our continent, they in fact endorse the actions taken by the Kingdom. They often say that the company we keep is indicative of our character, and I'd pray to the Seven Divine no one sat in this room would endorse one power abusing another sovereign state to live under their heel as we saw Scordisci subjected so brutally to. We're all free to choose who we're friends with," the Empress sighed, "but we should also hope to consider our friends with full disclosure at the same time. That the CNN did not act, as the CSTO did when its members made wrong decisions, is an indictment against the whole of the CNN and remains something they must address. I do apologize for my digression, however, whilst the CNN has done well in their public relations they've a good many skeletons in their closet that anyone wishing to associate themselves with them should be aware of. Given their track record on this issue, I nor any of us should feel reassured their assets could be in our waters."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Abertone on October 20, 2023, 08:25:01 AM
Graziano wondered if it was a curse of youth to sometimes lose track of where their attention lied, he saw the same in his nephews and nieces and sadly in his own children Andrew and Benedict. Once she had finished the Consul began again. "With respect your views of the CNN add nothing to the point I was making. I'm sure you'd agree each of us around this table are free to form our own views over who is and isn't a suitable friend for our nations. The issue I brought up is simple. You're proposal of limiting foreign military presences and seeing that native concerns outweigh outsiders is unfeasible. First it gives this fledgling organisation a way to directly influence another nations foreign policy. Second we already have significant foreign military in the region. Regardless of whether you become the monarch of Dartfordia one day or not they are a foreign nation and not native to this region. We would have in your situation the commander in chief of a foreign, non native military in this organization. Add to that we have  Preorian ships already in the region. Now on the matter of Gowu I never mentioned them as I'm aware they are heavily connected to Achkaerin, and that their military is often in this region as we've seen in the past. That is understandable with their connection to Gowu but I would still consider the majority of their military non-native however the concern I have with Achkaerin is that they have military agreements with Vaguzia. Now I do not see how we can have your goal that  "we should limit the foreign military presence in our region and commit to an assurance that native, Dauntel/Shaw concerns always outweigh those utside of our region, that our destiny is always firmly within our hands." while that is already the reality on the ground. So if the proposal you have placed goes through I would be expected to limit our own friends activities in the region and cater more to your world view than that of perhaps our friends. Meanwhile I would be able to stand on the shores of Abertone and in the East wave at Dartfordian vessels merrily making their way to Rokkenjima while in the West I could see Preorian and maybe even Vaguzian ships chugging down the coasts of Ardia on their way to bases here?"
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on October 20, 2023, 12:13:34 PM
Serena had at one point considered the CNN as a pathway for her nation yet then had come the East Moreland opinion of the Bene Gesserit, her own secret faith, and there had been a move away from that. "Aosta has always been closer to the Alucard nations than those of the Strait of Shaw. We've ran exercises with Paracambi and we supported Lodja in matters relating to their own recent civil war. These are two relationships we will be building on in the future. My concern is that should......when we do deceide to run joint operations, or exercises off our coast in the Straits your proposal would effectively mean we should consider how you all would feel. Let me give you a real life example. Who were the first to support the cause of the people of Troyes? It wasn't me despite me putting in the proposal here that started our meeting. It was the Nords. For years the Nords have supported the people of Marseille and a case could be made that they are Marseilles closest allies. I'm confident that if we asked the people of MArseille if they would welcome a Nord fleet in the Straits they would undoubetedly say yes. Meanwhile I believe that Tytor, and quiet possibly Rokkenjima currently have sanctions against them, if we're saying to keep foreign assets out the region why should Rokkenjima be able to welcome their Dartfordian friends while the people of Marseille would face perhaps issues welcoming theirs. I will not support any measure that as the Consul suggests would give a foreign power any influence over my own nations foreign policy."

She paused and then slid a piece of paper onto the table. "To prevent this becoming a back and forth of myself and the Consul arguing our case and the Empress and perhaps Emperor Eijirō from arguing that their current arrangements are not comparable we should look at what we can agree upon."



Quote from: Proposal

In order to make the region a safer place for all nations members agree to the following.

1. That they shall first and foremost consider their regional neighbors as friends and as such shall do all that is reasonably possible to avoid armed conflict with them.

2. In order to protect citizens of all nations any intelligence gathered by one nation that would indicate a likely threat to another is to be shared in a speedy manner. Should a nation believe that by revealing this intelligence it would place its own safety or operations in jepodey then they are excused from sharing this intelligence.

3. Each nation shall maintain in their embassy a military attaché who shall share relevant military details with their host nation so long as doing so does not infringe on the attaché's own nations security.

4. Nations hosting military exercises shall, so long as it is safe to do so, advertise via the attaché system the size, scope and nature of these exercises at least 3 days before they begin. They shall ensure all relevant notices to shipping and airmen are made in good time.

5. Nations agree that they shall take no action to prevent or interfere in exercises of another nation so long as that exercise does impose on their own waters as laid out in UNCLOS.

6. Nations agree that under no circumstances will they knowingly allow a third party nation to utilize their territory, waters or airspace to conduct a first strike or similar operation against another member nation.

Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on October 21, 2023, 04:30:18 AM
"I shall abide by this, and add my signature to it, so long as no CNN assets transit into the Rokkenjima Sea," the Empress would simply respond. "Though as I am to be Queen of the Dartfordians I'll continue to state that any relationships, or attempted equivalents, you should present will not be equivalent to the Rokkenjiman-Dartfordian relationship as it is unique amongst any you could present."

"I'll merely add, once again that Ui Ceinnselaig in particular, and the CNN by extension, revisited imperialism upon Ardian shores, and that this First Empire will see the Kingdom and any who support its position on Scordici are held responsible for their actions henceforth."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Abertone on October 21, 2023, 01:08:21 PM
Graziano shook his head. "What right does Rokkenjima have to tell nations where they can and can't go under the freedom of navigation. The sea may bear your name but by no means do you own it. Do you honestly believe that it would be your right to stop a Lodjian vessel visiting the Allied States of Ardia, or the Maori visiting Toshikawa? The article put forward by Empress Serena is what we should be discussing. Your issues with the CNN are between you and them. However now you want to try and use this organisation to impose us to approve some kind of breach of the FSC it would mean that we're likely to be unable to accept membership of any body that seeks to make us basically international criminals. Also attempting to place to Rokkenjima-Dartfordia relationship as some kind of exception is in my view promoting that this is basically some two tier movement. You expect us all to accept vessels not native to the region coming and going as they wish yet try and block others. This is not a partnership that is now seemingly being built on an equal foundation."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Achkaerin on October 21, 2023, 01:58:31 PM
"Hear hear." Xiaoling said before taking a deep breath fixing her gaze on Asuna "I'll make this simple if we are going to pursue the position that we are limiting foreign military presence in the region then the first thing that I would expect no... that I would demand is that Daito close NS Hirado thus removing the Preorian presence and that Rokkenjima close Akrotiri Base thus removing the Dartfordian presence. Are either of you going to recommend that?" she looked from Asuna to Sadazane "You won't because the cost is your nations would lose their own overseas positions, Daito would see NS LLwynbelan closed in response and Rokkenjima would see Queen Katenka Naval Base closed in response, it'd be political suicide. I don't mean to lecture but honestly it sounds like you need it, I'm probably the most experienced person in terms of politics and summits such as this at the table and one thing I've learned in all that time is this." she looked back at Asuna "When you're in a hole the best thing to do is stop digging. Unless you're going to remove the foreign military presence already in the region you don't have the right to tell Empress Serena, Consul Graziano or myself who we can and cannot have in the region, and don't try and excuse it by suggesting the fact that you'll be Queen of Dartfordia one day changes things because it doesn't - Dartfordia is and always will be a foreign power in respect of this region, being Queen of Dartfordia does not give you any decision making power in that nation because that is not how their government works.

If Achkaerin wishes to hold its annual military exercises with East Moreland in Gowu territory it can, if said exercises take the form of an amphibious landing in which East Moreland plays the attacking force that's perfectly reasonable and if Achkaerin happened to say to King David 'you know what bring the rest of the CNN, we'll talk, throw an impromptu rugby tournament, have a few whiskeys etc' which given the good relations between Achkaerin and those nations is not beyond the realms of possibility then it's happening. We'll happily notify you of it, same as we notify MICA whenever we run a military exercise with a non MICA nation on Awhaele, but you have no power and no authority to tell us we can't do that unless you are prepared to violate international law in the attempt, the very thing that you seem to be alleging the CNN has done, tell me how in your mind the violating of international law in response to a violation of international law makes you any better than them?" Xiaoling took another breath still looking at Asuna "Fear, paranoia and distrust consumed your mother she also had a habit of not doing her homework, don't go the same way an organisation cannot be responsible for or complicit in the acts of a member that occurred prior to the organisations founding. I endorse Empress Serena's proposal as on the paper and without the condition that the Empress of Rokkenjima has tried to impose for the reasons that myself and Consul Graziano have outlined."

Xiaoling now turned to look at Serena "Now if I may be forgiven a very quick moment of going off on a tangent, I would as we're talking military matters like to once again pass on Achkaerin's thanks and appreciation to the Aostan navy for what happened during the Lodjan crisis, that they were there at the end as our respective assets closed in on the Morelander helped save many of the hostages taken, we won't forget that."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on October 21, 2023, 09:03:30 PM
"We just did our bit to help our neighbours." Serena explained before turning to the points currently on the table. "When we began the Empress of Rokkenjima wished that our agreement include the phrase "adherence to the principles of international norms" One of those norms is freedom of navigation and allowing nations to conduct their own affairs in their own waters. I will not permit this charter to be one that will give certain nations special treatment. The Rokkenjiman-Dartfordia partnership may well be special for you but it is nothing more than a piece of paper with no more significance as a treaty between say Kermah and Abertone. If you are insisting on including special conditions and imposing on the very international norms you pushed for then I am afraid I will have to withdraw our support for this organisation."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Daitō on October 21, 2023, 10:59:01 PM
   "When we came here, we did so with the understanding of our government that anything we agreed to would not severely harm the interests of the Empire of Daitō nor its national security policy." Sadazane said, looking over to the Rokkenjiman Empress after glancing around the room. "The proposal made by Empress Serena is acceptable, but I will also echo her words with regards to this present impasse. It is not the right of the Rokkenjiman government to prohibit transit into the Rokkenjiman sea at the invitation of another power, especially as this would impinge upon the freedom of navigation as agreed to under the FSC. In effect, doing so would be illegal under international law, something which her predecessors knew all too well. We cannot—will not—sign any agreement which will restrict transit through the Rokkenjiman sea, or any other part of the region, solely because one nation wishes to impose their will on this prospective organization."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Achkaerin on October 21, 2023, 11:15:47 PM
"Quite." Xiaoling said giving the piece of paper Empress Serena had put on the table earlier a tap "We have a consensus in favour of Empress Serena's suggestion standing as originally proposed. If Rokkenjima wishes to take action against the CNN then it will do so independent of this prospective organisation, continuing to try and limit transit into the Rokkenjiman Sea will lead not only to Aosta walking out the door but Gowu as well and I doubt it ends there. This is what's on the table and it has the support of four of us."

Quote
In order to make the region a safer place for all nations members agree to the following.

1. That they shall first and foremost consider their regional neighbors as friends and as such shall do all that is reasonably possible to avoid armed conflict with them.

2. In order to protect citizens of all nations any intelligence gathered by one nation that would indicate a likely threat to another is to be shared in a speedy manner. Should a nation believe that by revealing this intelligence it would place its own safety or operations in jepodey then they are excused from sharing this intelligence.

3. Each nation shall maintain in their embassy a military attaché who shall share relevant military details with their host nation so long as doing so does not infringe on the attaché's own nations security.

4. Nations hosting military exercises shall, so long as it is safe to do so, advertise via the attaché system the size, scope and nature of these exercises at least 3 days before they begin. They shall ensure all relevant notices to shipping and airmen are made in good time.

5. Nations agree that they shall take no action to prevent or interfere in exercises of another nation so long as that exercise does impose on their own waters as laid out in the Fair Seas Concordat.

6. Nations agree that under no circumstances will they knowingly allow a third party nation to utilize their territory, waters or airspace to conduct a first strike or similar operation against another member nation.

OOC - At this point I'm again going to suggest the customary 48 hours before this be taken as agreed and we move on.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on October 22, 2023, 09:46:58 PM
After a brief text exchange between McKenna and Emerson the Vicegerent would enter the room. "Do forgive us," McKenna would say, "the Empress and myself require a moment to discuss something in a more private setting. In our stead as hosts the Vicegerent shall be sitting in with you all. I don't believe we'll be gone for too long but, all the same, please forgive our momentary absence," he said as he left the room with the Empress, patting Emerson's shoulder. Once the door had closed behind them McKenna sighed and rubbed his eyebrows.

"Well if I needed a reminder that I've not missed the dramatics of Saisei's outbursts, I think I just had a refresher," McKenna continued. "Just what prompted that most uncharacteristic display I just saw? Though, with that being said, no one can doubt you're your mother's daughter. At the same time such displays cannot be abided; now I understand you're passionate on the issue but dear, read the room, this is not the time, place nor audience for such concerns. You've invited these people to discuss issues regarding the area which we share, throwing an emotional temper tantrum as you just did is beneath the Throne and, quite honestly, your own personal station. If this is a preview unto the future of what I can expect, understand that I wouldn't be able to work under such conditions and you'd find yourself dealing with a resignation I'd rather not tender. You're your own person, and anything your mother or certain aunts did, you need to disregard wholly. Do we have an understanding?"

"I'm sorry I put you in that position," she would reply, "I got lost in the moment and unloaded everything in my head at the moment and forgot what was in front of us. If you can forgive me..." "Oh, hush with that," McKenna interrupted her, "you might be Empress but you're still quite young, I remember how impulsive I was at your age, your brain has a good way ahead of it in the growth department. I'll simply suggest, in moments you feel like saying something you're not fully sure on, get my attention and let me take point in those moments. I know what you're trying to do and what your aims are, there's a reason you tapped me for this role and the one which follows, so trust me here. Let's never see whatever that was again, yes?"

"Yes," she replied with a nod. "Good, now then when we return you'll apologize to our guests, reaffirm the commitments of your Empire to international norms, say what you need to but ensure that it's attended to sooner rather than later. Also, I'd add that Xiaoling took it quite easy on you, best not take advantage of that generosity a second time. I trust you to rectify this, don't let me down." "Then let us return," the Empress replied.

Upon their return to the room the Empress bowed, a gesture which was not traditionally seen from the Empress to foreigners, bringing her right had to her heart. "I allowed emotion to get the best of me in a manner unfitting of an Empress, or as a host, you have my apologies," she said as she rose from her bow once thirty or so seconds had passed. "Passion does a number of things to our emotions and hearts, however, it was not my place nor my right to speak as I did not more than a half hour ago. Rokkenjima remains, always, dedicated to established international norms and won't do anything to upend them. If we may put that lamentable display behind us and continue, I would wish to do so," she said before taking her seat.

"I restate Rokkenjima's support for the present proposal without the additional theatrics of my previous endorsement," she would add. "Thank you, Vicegerent," McKenna would add, "I think we've got this from here," he'd continue, after which Emerson would take his leave.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on October 28, 2023, 07:43:53 PM
The Empress did her best not to interupt, when the Rokkenjimans finished talking Serena presented her amendment. "It is all well and good that the Empress of Rokkenjima now states that Rokkenjima is committed to the norms of such things as the FSC, what we though have witnessed is that we have seen a visible turn in stance. If it can happen once it can happen again. I therefore need Point five amending, I believe it should now read." Nations agree that they shall take no action to prevent or interfere in exercises or movements of another nation so long as it does not impose on their own waters as laid out in the Fair Seas Concordat."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on November 03, 2023, 11:15:28 PM
"While I may have some disagreements on your assertion, if there us support for the amending of Point 5 I shall entertain it. If not, I believe it would be beneficial for us to move forward in wrapping things up. Thus, do we support the original version of the proposal, or the Amendment as proposed by the delegation from Aosta?"

OOC: 24 hours on this one, let's get to the finish line. :)
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Achkaerin on November 03, 2023, 11:39:21 PM
"That's agreeable as far as I'm concerned." Xiaoling said "Now assuming no one objects to that or wishes to propose a further amendment I believe there's one administrative matter left to deal with before this can be signed."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Abertone on November 04, 2023, 01:29:04 AM
Graziano spoke up, "With the amendment I'm confident that we have completed this latest section."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Daitō on November 04, 2023, 02:36:04 PM
   "We accept this ammendment." Sadazane said.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on November 10, 2023, 12:40:42 AM
"Onward then," the Empress would state with that aside out of the way. "Are there any other areas any would wish to cover that have not been addressed at present?"
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on November 10, 2023, 10:08:25 AM
OOC- Just a reminder this is what has been agreed so far.

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TRAVEL
In order to ease the movement of citizens throughout the ADSN region members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. There shall the the establishment of a four path system for visas. These shall be the Short Term Visa, Business Visa, Educational Visa, and the Temporary Worker Visa.

2. The Short Term Visa shall be available to any individual who books return or onward passage via any means at least 30 days before the date of travel. So long as these dates are no longer apart than 60 calendar days then the individual may enter visa free so long as the receiving nation do not believe that the person poses a risk to the security or good order of the nation. Holders of this visa may not undertake any work while staying in the receiving nation.

3. The Business Visa shall be available to any individual who is travelling on business purposes. To obtain this an individual must have a guarantor from a business within the receiving nation. This visa shall allow an individual to remain in the receiving nation for 180 days and they may undertake paid employment while based there. This type of visa may not be renewed for 90 days. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

4. The Educational Visa shall be available to any individual who has obtained confirmation of the offer of an educational course within a receiving nation. This visa shall cover the entire duration of the course and will permit the holder to a maximum of 20 hours per work employment during their course. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

5. The Length of the above visas may be increased at the discretion of the receiving nation.

6. Any individual breaking the conditions of any of these visa programmes is liable to deportation and may be banned from travel to the receiving nation indefinitely.

7. The home nation shall take all reasonable steps to ensure anyone deported and banned from travel is prevented from returning.

8. In the event of an individual traveler in one nation being believed to be responsible, whether individually or as a conspirator, for criminal actions within the jurisdiction of another member state, the individual shall be extradited subject to the following being provided to the visited nations relevant authority.
a) Evidence of the wrongdoing
b) An understanding that the individual will receive a fair trial in a court of law

9. There shall be no obligation for the visited nation to extradite an individual to the death penalty.


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SECURITY

In order to make the region a safer place for all nations members agree to the following.

1. That they shall first and foremost consider their regional neighbors as friends and as such shall do all that is reasonably possible to avoid armed conflict with them.

2. In order to protect citizens of all nations any intelligence gathered by one nation that would indicate a likely threat to another is to be shared in a speedy manner. Should a nation believe that by revealing this intelligence it would place its own safety or operations in jepodey then they are excused from sharing this intelligence.

3. Each nation shall maintain in their embassy a military attaché who shall share relevant military details with their host nation so long as doing so does not infringe on the attaché's own nations security.

4. Nations hosting military exercises shall, so long as it is safe to do so, advertise via the attaché system the size, scope and nature of these exercises at least 3 days before they begin. They shall ensure all relevant notices to shipping and airmen are made in good time.

5. Nations agree that they shall take no action to prevent or interfere in exercises or movements of another nation so long as it does not impose on their own waters as laid out in the Fair Seas Concordat.

6. Nations agree that under no circumstances will they knowingly allow a third party nation to utilize their territory, waters or airspace to conduct a first strike or similar operation against another member nation.

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TRADE
In order to effect more prosperous trading oppurtunities the nations signed as members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. Any export to a member nations shall be accompanied by a declaration that the export abides by all local laws. To ensure compliance the receiving nation may carry out any non-destructive test on any product arriving at their nation. Any product deemed to be not incompliance with local laws or not accompanied by a decleration shall see a fine of non more than 5 times the value of the consignment paid by the exporter.

2. On the anniversary of the signing of this document each member nation shall produce a list of tariffs to be paid by all member nations. Those tariffs may be set on any goods or items the nation wish. The tariffs set by each nation must be at a level lower than for any nation with which they do not have a current trade agreement with.

3. This agreement does not prevent member nations making their own trade agreements.

4. Any item with a value of less than $1million exported to a nation for temporary use shall be permitted to enter tariff free so long as it is for a period of less than 30 days.

5. ADSN nations agree to allow operations by businesses from other ADSN nations on condition that those businesses operate following local laws concerning taxation, employment, health and safety and environmental matters.

There was also no definite conclusion about Aosta's proposal of a science consortium so consider that null.

Hope that clears up where we are.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on November 14, 2023, 10:08:31 PM
Serena took the silence to mean that no-one else had much, if anything to say. "I believe then the document we've created would appear to be done. If that's the case then perhaps we can move towards signing it and then issue that statement of Troyes."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Achkaerin on November 14, 2023, 10:16:08 PM
"Before we take that step." Xiaoling said "I believe there is one administrative matter that as we're all here we could take the chance to resolve. One of the first things we agreed to early on in these talks was a standing council for the ASDN, such a council would need a home. I'd like to propose should they not object to it and of course have somewhere to house it that Aosta be that home."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on November 15, 2023, 10:36:18 PM
"Given that we are an association of Dauntel and Shaw nations I can't help but notice what might be a most symbolic and central location to hose the Association," the Empress said once Xiaoling had spoke. "The port city of Taikyū, Tsukishima in the Empire of Daitō. As the capital of both its prefecture and Tsukishima circuit, being the largest city on the island with a strong maritime tradition makes it an ideal choice I feel. While I'm certain there are those on my diplomatic team who would expect me to propose a location within Rokkenjima I just couldn't think of a place within the First Empire which held the qualities which Taikyū possesses. Naturally, we would need to consult with our Daitōjin friends as to available space, but I am certain they would be able to accommodate such a home for the ADSN should they be selected. Furthermore, as it looks out to the Kyne, the Matildas as well as the Krimeon which lays just beyond them, it often represents a first contact for trade between our region and a broad swath of Mundus. I do not slight our friends in Aosta with this nomination, I simply think it makes more sense."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Abertone on November 15, 2023, 11:06:29 PM
"While Empress Serena has yet to comment on the nomination put her Empire's way from our representative from Gowu I would like to give my support for Aosta as host." He paused for a moment, "While I believe any of us sat here would make sure we provided fitting homes for this Association I believe Aosta should be its home. While this idea was floated by Empress Sutāraito I think we all will recognise that the document we are all preparing to sign has a very Aostan flavour. When anyone looks back at the minutes or transcriptions of this founding meeting I believe many will recognise the fact that groundwork was put in that this bodies very first act on the global stage was established before we even existed. The thirst for making sure we reach a charter we all support is clear in Empress Serena's contributions. If we're asking someone to hold this body in high esteem and watch over its members then I would feel extremely secure that Empress Serena would do that based on meeting her here today. Modern technology means the concept of needing to be practical in positioning is long gone. Empress Serena if you wish it then Abertone will support your bid to host this body."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Daitō on November 16, 2023, 04:01:37 AM
   "With all due respect to our hosts," Eijirō said in place of Sadazane, "We must admit while we are flattered by their nomination, the Empire of Daitō simply must decline, as it is not our interest to host the organization." He continued, taking a momentary pause as he briefly glanced around the room to gauge the mood of the audience. "And even if we were interested, Taikyū is a poor fit to host the organization, being far removed from the heartlands of any of our nations, rather being at the periphery of the region. At the same time, the location proposed within Aosta, to my knowledge on the western coast of the country, is very much within the region which this Association claims to serve." He, of course, would not mention his own personal disdain for Taikyū, which he generally considered one of the worse ports of call within the Empire as compared to even some locations on the island. "Therefore, I believe it is simple enough to accept that the location proposed is more than adequate, and thus, the Empire of Daitō shall vote for Aosta to host the organization."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on November 16, 2023, 09:44:36 PM
Serena was a little surprised to have the support of three nations. While she had not prepared to be the host she was though more than willing. She'd got an ambition to make Aosta more respected in terms of international politics and now she had a chance. Since Xiaoling had brought the matter up she had been thinking of what she had that could be offered. By the time the Emperor of Daito had rejected the idea of hosting Serena had at least some idea. She had been merrily tapping away on her small tablet and now spun it into the middle of the table so everyone could see.

"I'm grateful for the support you've shown the Empire. I have a headquarters in mind. Our family own several farms and one of our tennants just outside the city of Ovado on our West coast. Our intention had been to turn it into a venue for events and weddings as a small part of our families businesses. I however believe we could easily repurpose the venue." She showed them the Picture (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1174819375581241344/1174821237470527528/image.png?ex=6568fc8a&is=6556878a&hm=d953ed7dc913e633bfada622ee7a60f068223849484cd2f71fb3c0c253379b29&) of various changes they would make. "The venue would be out in the countryside, our Carabinieri would easily be able to provide security and there is plenty of space for expansion and leisure. The idea would be that we are taking the metal skinned barn out for a more rustic look, that would serve as the conference centre for any discussions. The farmhouse would be used to provide any visiting dignitary with accomodation and be used as a banquet site. The stables could be converted for our ambassadors to have both office space and accommodation. Meanwhile the 2nd barn would be converted for any administration centres we needed, potentially housing the staff in the villages a few kilometres away. While it would take perhaps a few months for the conversion work to be completed we would use facilities in the royal palace (https://cdn.britannica.com/37/242537-050-A7EB558F/Royal-Palace-Madrid-Spain.jpg) in Ovado until they are ready."
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Achkaerin on November 16, 2023, 10:34:11 PM
Xiaoling smiled she quite liked the look of the farm, it would make a very interesting contrast with other organisations given the habit of Mundus to generally locate in palaces and office blocks, a countryside farm would make a nice change. Looking around she took a moment "I believe with the comments from the Emperor of Daito, the proposal of Empress Serena and the support expressed we have a consensus in favour of Aosta as the home of the ASDN. Now with no one among us having raised any further proposals to be included in the treaty we have crafted I believe the moment is at hand." the pieces of handwritten paper would inevitably have to be typed up and formalised but all the component parts were on the table before them, Xiaoling stapled them together and put them in the centre of the table.

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The ADSN Declaration (Dunwich Declaration) Dunwich, 16th November 2023
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The nations of the Dauntel Sea, Rokkenjiman Sea and Strait of Shaw

MINDFUL of the existence of mutual interests and common problems among countries of the Dauntel and the Straight of Shaw and convinced of the need to strengthen further the existing bonds of regional solidarity and cooperation;

DESIRING to establish a firm foundation for common action to promote regional cooperation in the Dauntel and Straight of Shaw in the spirit of equality and partnership and thereby contribute towards peace, progress and prosperity in the region;

CONSCIOUS that in an increasingly interdependent world, the cherished ideals of peace, freedom, social justice and economic well-being are best attained by fostering good understanding, good neighbourliness and meaningful cooperation among the countries of the region already bound together by ties of history and culture;

CONSIDERING that the countries bordering the Dauntel and Strait of Shaw share a primary responsibility for strengthening the economic and social stability of the region and ensuring their peaceful and progressive national development, and that they are determined to ensure their stability and security from external interference in any form or manifestation in order to preserve their national identities in accordance with the ideals and aspirations of their peoples;

AFFIRMING that all foreign bases are temporary and remain only with the expressed concurrence of the countries concerned and are not intended to be used directly or indirectly to subvert the national independence and freedom of States in the area or prejudice the orderly processes of their national development;

DO HEREBY DECLARE:

FIRST, the establishment of an Association for Regional Cooperation among the countries bordering the waters of the Dauntel, the Rokkenjiman Sea and the Strait of Shaw to be known as the Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN).

SECOND, that the aims and purposes of the Association shall be:

1. To accelerate the economic growth, social progress and cultural development in the region through joint endeavours in the spirit of equality and partnership in order to strengthen the foundation for a prosperous and peaceful community of Dauntel and Shaw Nations;
2. To promote regional peace and stability through abiding respect for justice and the rule of law in the relationship among countries of the region.
3. To promote active collaboration and mutual assistance on matters of common interest in the economic, social, cultural, technical, scientific and administrative fields;
4. To provide assistance to each other in the form of training and research facilities in the educational, professional, technical and administrative spheres;
5. To collaborate more effectively for the greater utilization of their agriculture and industries, the expansion of their trade, including the study of the problems of international commodity trade, the improvement of their transportation and communications facilities and the raising of the living standards of their peoples;
6. To promote shared Dauntel-Shaw studies;
7. To maintain close and beneficial cooperation with existing international and regional organizations with similar aims and purposes, and explore all avenues for even closer cooperation among themselves.

THIRD, that the Association represents the collective will of the nations which border the Dauntel Sea, Rokkenjiman Sea and Strait of Shaw, to bind themselves together in friendship and cooperation and, through joint efforts and sacrifices, secure for their peoples and for posterity the blessings of peace, freedom and prosperity.

FOURTH, that the Association is open for participation to all States which border the Dauntel Sea, the Rokkenjiman Sea or Strait of Shaw who subscribe to the aforementioned aims, principles and purposes.
(a) Any prospective member of the organisation must be admitted by majority vote of the membership

ARTICLE ONE: THE COUNCIL

1. The Council shall consist of ambassadors representing each of the member nations, each member shall have one vote on any matter.

2. Any member may propose a matter for debate, all votes on resolutions are by majority vote unless determined otherwise by the Council.

3. Only a resolution of the Council may amend this document.

ARTICLE TWO: TRAVEL

In order to ease the movement of citizens throughout the ADSN region members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. There shall the the establishment of a four path system for visas. These shall be the Short Term Visa, Business Visa, Educational Visa, and the Temporary Worker Visa.

2. The Short Term Visa shall be available to any individual who books return or onward passage via any means at least 30 days before the date of travel. So long as these dates are no longer apart than 60 calendar days then the individual may enter visa free so long as the receiving nation do not believe that the person poses a risk to the security or good order of the nation. Holders of this visa may not undertake any work while staying in the receiving nation.

3. The Business Visa shall be available to any individual who is travelling on business purposes. To obtain this an individual must have a guarantor from a business within the receiving nation. This visa shall allow an individual to remain in the receiving nation for 180 days and they may undertake paid employment while based there. This type of visa may not be renewed for 90 days. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

4. The Educational Visa shall be available to any individual who has obtained confirmation of the offer of an educational course within a receiving nation. This visa shall cover the entire duration of the course and will permit the holder to a maximum of 20 hours per work employment during their course. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

5. The Length of the above visas may be increased at the discretion of the receiving nation.

6. Any individual breaking the conditions of any of these visa programmes is liable to deportation and may be banned from travel to the receiving nation indefinitely.

7. The home nation shall take all reasonable steps to ensure anyone deported and banned from travel is prevented from returning.

8. In the event of an individual traveler in one nation being believed to be responsible, whether individually or as a conspirator, for criminal actions within the jurisdiction of another member state, the individual shall be extradited subject to the following being provided to the visited nations relevant authority.
a) Evidence of the wrongdoing
b) An understanding that the individual will receive a fair trial in a court of law

9. There shall be no obligation for the visited nation to extradite an individual to the death penalty.

ARTICLE THREE: TRADE

In order to effect more prosperous trading oppurtunities the nations signed as members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. Any export to a member nations shall be accompanied by a declaration that the export abides by all local laws. To ensure compliance the receiving nation may carry out any non-destructive test on any product arriving at their nation. Any product deemed to be not incompliance with local laws or not accompanied by a decleration shall see a fine of non more than 5 times the value of the consignment paid by the exporter.

2. On the anniversary of the signing of this document each member nation shall produce a list of tariffs to be paid by all member nations. Those tariffs may be set on any goods or items the nation wish. The tariffs set by each nation must be at a level lower than for any nation with which they do not have a current trade agreement with.

3. This agreement does not prevent member nations making their own trade agreements.

4. Any item with a value of less than $1million exported to a nation for temporary use shall be permitted to enter tariff free so long as it is for a period of less than 30 days.

5. ADSN nations agree to allow operations by businesses from other ADSN nations on condition that those businesses operate following local laws concerning taxation, employment, health and safety and environmental matters.

ARTICLE FOUR: SECURITY

In order to make the region a safer place for all nations members agree to the following.

1. That they shall first and foremost consider their regional neighbors as friends and as such shall do all that is reasonably possible to avoid armed conflict with them.

2. In order to protect citizens of all nations any intelligence gathered by one nation that would indicate a likely threat to another is to be shared in a speedy manner. Should a nation believe that by revealing this intelligence it would place its own safety or operations in jeopardy then they are excused from sharing this intelligence.

3. Each nation shall maintain in their embassy a military attaché who shall share relevant military details with their host nation so long as doing so does not infringe on the attaché's own nations security.

4. Nations hosting military exercises shall, so long as it is safe to do so, advertise via the attaché system the size, scope and nature of these exercises at least 3 days before they begin. They shall ensure all relevant notices to shipping and airmen are made in good time.

5. Nations agree that they shall take no action to prevent or interfere in exercises or movements of another nation so long as it does not impose on their own waters as laid out in the Fair Seas Concordat.

6. Nations agree that under no circumstances will they knowingly allow a third party nation to utilize their territory, waters or airspace to conduct a first strike or similar operation against another member nation.

DONE in Dunwich on the 16th of November, 2023.

Signatures

"So who wants to go first?" Xiaoling asked putting a pen on top of the stapled sheets.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Daitō on November 16, 2023, 11:03:01 PM
   In Eijirō's mind, it seemed only fitting that he should sign first. Though yes, this was a meeting hosted by the Rokkenjimans which was establishing an organization headquartered in Aosta, history would remember he or she who made the first signature, who took that bold step in the name of not merely pan-Ardianism, but something greater than those nations which made up the organization. Okay, perhaps that was an exaggeration, but he had long made up his mind with regards to the ADSN. He would be signing it if it was beneficial to his nation, which it was. And so, after a moment, he would dip his pen into a well of ink—it being seen, back home anyways, as a far more formal means of signing—and sign his name in the Ardian script which the world seemed more preferential to.
Quote from: The ADSN Declaration
The ADSN Declaration (Dunwich Declaration) Dunwich, 16th November 2023

The nations of the Dauntel Sea, Rokkenjiman Sea and Strait of Shaw

MINDFUL of the existence of mutual interests and common problems among countries of the Dauntel and the Straight of Shaw and convinced of the need to strengthen further the existing bonds of regional solidarity and cooperation;

DESIRING to establish a firm foundation for common action to promote regional cooperation in the Dauntel and Straight of Shaw in the spirit of equality and partnership and thereby contribute towards peace, progress and prosperity in the region;

CONSCIOUS that in an increasingly interdependent world, the cherished ideals of peace, freedom, social justice and economic well-being are best attained by fostering good understanding, good neighbourliness and meaningful cooperation among the countries of the region already bound together by ties of history and culture;

CONSIDERING that the countries bordering the Dauntel and Strait of Shaw share a primary responsibility for strengthening the economic and social stability of the region and ensuring their peaceful and progressive national development, and that they are determined to ensure their stability and security from external interference in any form or manifestation in order to preserve their national identities in accordance with the ideals and aspirations of their peoples;

AFFIRMING that all foreign bases are temporary and remain only with the expressed concurrence of the countries concerned and are not intended to be used directly or indirectly to subvert the national independence and freedom of States in the area or prejudice the orderly processes of their national development;

DO HEREBY DECLARE:

FIRST, the establishment of an Association for Regional Cooperation among the countries bordering the waters of the Dauntel, the Rokkenjiman Sea and the Strait of Shaw to be known as the Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN).

SECOND, that the aims and purposes of the Association shall be:

1. To accelerate the economic growth, social progress and cultural development in the region through joint endeavours in the spirit of equality and partnership in order to strengthen the foundation for a prosperous and peaceful community of Dauntel and Shaw Nations;
2. To promote regional peace and stability through abiding respect for justice and the rule of law in the relationship among countries of the region.
3. To promote active collaboration and mutual assistance on matters of common interest in the economic, social, cultural, technical, scientific and administrative fields;
4. To provide assistance to each other in the form of training and research facilities in the educational, professional, technical and administrative spheres;
5. To collaborate more effectively for the greater utilization of their agriculture and industries, the expansion of their trade, including the study of the problems of international commodity trade, the improvement of their transportation and communications facilities and the raising of the living standards of their peoples;
6. To promote shared Dauntel-Shaw studies;
7. To maintain close and beneficial cooperation with existing international and regional organizations with similar aims and purposes, and explore all avenues for even closer cooperation among themselves.

THIRD, that the Association represents the collective will of the nations which border the Dauntel Sea, Rokkenjiman Sea and Strait of Shaw, to bind themselves together in friendship and cooperation and, through joint efforts and sacrifices, secure for their peoples and for posterity the blessings of peace, freedom and prosperity.

FOURTH, that the Association is open for participation to all States which border the Dauntel Sea, the Rokkenjiman Sea or Strait of Shaw who subscribe to the aforementioned aims, principles and purposes.
(a) Any prospective member of the organisation must be admitted by majority vote of the membership

ARTICLE ONE: THE COUNCIL

1. The Council shall consist of ambassadors representing each of the member nations, each member shall have one vote on any matter.

2. Any member may propose a matter for debate, all votes on resolutions are by majority vote unless determined otherwise by the Council.

3. Only a resolution of the Council may amend this document.

ARTICLE TWO: TRAVEL

In order to ease the movement of citizens throughout the ADSN region members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. There shall the the establishment of a four path system for visas. These shall be the Short Term Visa, Business Visa, Educational Visa, and the Temporary Worker Visa.

2. The Short Term Visa shall be available to any individual who books return or onward passage via any means at least 30 days before the date of travel. So long as these dates are no longer apart than 60 calendar days then the individual may enter visa free so long as the receiving nation do not believe that the person poses a risk to the security or good order of the nation. Holders of this visa may not undertake any work while staying in the receiving nation.

3. The Business Visa shall be available to any individual who is travelling on business purposes. To obtain this an individual must have a guarantor from a business within the receiving nation. This visa shall allow an individual to remain in the receiving nation for 180 days and they may undertake paid employment while based there. This type of visa may not be renewed for 90 days. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

4. The Educational Visa shall be available to any individual who has obtained confirmation of the offer of an educational course within a receiving nation. This visa shall cover the entire duration of the course and will permit the holder to a maximum of 20 hours per work employment during their course. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

5. The Length of the above visas may be increased at the discretion of the receiving nation.

6. Any individual breaking the conditions of any of these visa programmes is liable to deportation and may be banned from travel to the receiving nation indefinitely.

7. The home nation shall take all reasonable steps to ensure anyone deported and banned from travel is prevented from returning.

8. In the event of an individual traveler in one nation being believed to be responsible, whether individually or as a conspirator, for criminal actions within the jurisdiction of another member state, the individual shall be extradited subject to the following being provided to the visited nations relevant authority.
a) Evidence of the wrongdoing
b) An understanding that the individual will receive a fair trial in a court of law

9. There shall be no obligation for the visited nation to extradite an individual to the death penalty.

ARTICLE THREE: TRADE

In order to effect more prosperous trading oppurtunities the nations signed as members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. Any export to a member nations shall be accompanied by a declaration that the export abides by all local laws. To ensure compliance the receiving nation may carry out any non-destructive test on any product arriving at their nation. Any product deemed to be not incompliance with local laws or not accompanied by a decleration shall see a fine of non more than 5 times the value of the consignment paid by the exporter.

2. On the anniversary of the signing of this document each member nation shall produce a list of tariffs to be paid by all member nations. Those tariffs may be set on any goods or items the nation wish. The tariffs set by each nation must be at a level lower than for any nation with which they do not have a current trade agreement with.

3. This agreement does not prevent member nations making their own trade agreements.

4. Any item with a value of less than $1million exported to a nation for temporary use shall be permitted to enter tariff free so long as it is for a period of less than 30 days.

5. ADSN nations agree to allow operations by businesses from other ADSN nations on condition that those businesses operate following local laws concerning taxation, employment, health and safety and environmental matters.

ARTICLE FOUR: SECURITY

In order to make the region a safer place for all nations members agree to the following.

1. That they shall first and foremost consider their regional neighbors as friends and as such shall do all that is reasonably possible to avoid armed conflict with them.

2. In order to protect citizens of all nations any intelligence gathered by one nation that would indicate a likely threat to another is to be shared in a speedy manner. Should a nation believe that by revealing this intelligence it would place its own safety or operations in jeopardy then they are excused from sharing this intelligence.

3. Each nation shall maintain in their embassy a military attaché who shall share relevant military details with their host nation so long as doing so does not infringe on the attaché's own nations security.

4. Nations hosting military exercises shall, so long as it is safe to do so, advertise via the attaché system the size, scope and nature of these exercises at least 3 days before they begin. They shall ensure all relevant notices to shipping and airmen are made in good time.

5. Nations agree that they shall take no action to prevent or interfere in exercises or movements of another nation so long as it does not impose on their own waters as laid out in the Fair Seas Concordat.

6. Nations agree that under no circumstances will they knowingly allow a third party nation to utilize their territory, waters or airspace to conduct a first strike or similar operation against another member nation.

DONE in Dunwich on the 16th of November, 2023.

Signed,
Eijirō, Emperor of Daitō
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on November 17, 2023, 12:45:09 AM
When the opportunity came it would not be the Empress but the Vicegerent who would sign on behalf of the First Empire. While an action taken with the full authority of the Empress as her Vicegerent and thus of equal legal equivelant, it would be a symbolic snub to the Daitojin, and represented the minimal level of protest available to the Empress at the moment whilst allowing for her vision to proceed.

Quote from: The ADSN Declaration
The ADSN Declaration (Dunwich Declaration) Dunwich, 16th November 2023

The nations of the Dauntel Sea, Rokkenjiman Sea and Strait of Shaw

MINDFUL of the existence of mutual interests and common problems among countries of the Dauntel and the Straight of Shaw and convinced of the need to strengthen further the existing bonds of regional solidarity and cooperation;

DESIRING to establish a firm foundation for common action to promote regional cooperation in the Dauntel and Straight of Shaw in the spirit of equality and partnership and thereby contribute towards peace, progress and prosperity in the region;

CONSCIOUS that in an increasingly interdependent world, the cherished ideals of peace, freedom, social justice and economic well-being are best attained by fostering good understanding, good neighbourliness and meaningful cooperation among the countries of the region already bound together by ties of history and culture;

CONSIDERING that the countries bordering the Dauntel and Strait of Shaw share a primary responsibility for strengthening the economic and social stability of the region and ensuring their peaceful and progressive national development, and that they are determined to ensure their stability and security from external interference in any form or manifestation in order to preserve their national identities in accordance with the ideals and aspirations of their peoples;

AFFIRMING that all foreign bases are temporary and remain only with the expressed concurrence of the countries concerned and are not intended to be used directly or indirectly to subvert the national independence and freedom of States in the area or prejudice the orderly processes of their national development;

DO HEREBY DECLARE:

FIRST, the establishment of an Association for Regional Cooperation among the countries bordering the waters of the Dauntel, the Rokkenjiman Sea and the Strait of Shaw to be known as the Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN).

SECOND, that the aims and purposes of the Association shall be:

1. To accelerate the economic growth, social progress and cultural development in the region through joint endeavours in the spirit of equality and partnership in order to strengthen the foundation for a prosperous and peaceful community of Dauntel and Shaw Nations;
2. To promote regional peace and stability through abiding respect for justice and the rule of law in the relationship among countries of the region.
3. To promote active collaboration and mutual assistance on matters of common interest in the economic, social, cultural, technical, scientific and administrative fields;
4. To provide assistance to each other in the form of training and research facilities in the educational, professional, technical and administrative spheres;
5. To collaborate more effectively for the greater utilization of their agriculture and industries, the expansion of their trade, including the study of the problems of international commodity trade, the improvement of their transportation and communications facilities and the raising of the living standards of their peoples;
6. To promote shared Dauntel-Shaw studies;
7. To maintain close and beneficial cooperation with existing international and regional organizations with similar aims and purposes, and explore all avenues for even closer cooperation among themselves.

THIRD, that the Association represents the collective will of the nations which border the Dauntel Sea, Rokkenjiman Sea and Strait of Shaw, to bind themselves together in friendship and cooperation and, through joint efforts and sacrifices, secure for their peoples and for posterity the blessings of peace, freedom and prosperity.

FOURTH, that the Association is open for participation to all States which border the Dauntel Sea, the Rokkenjiman Sea or Strait of Shaw who subscribe to the aforementioned aims, principles and purposes.
(a) Any prospective member of the organisation must be admitted by majority vote of the membership

ARTICLE ONE: THE COUNCIL

1. The Council shall consist of ambassadors representing each of the member nations, each member shall have one vote on any matter.

2. Any member may propose a matter for debate, all votes on resolutions are by majority vote unless determined otherwise by the Council.

3. Only a resolution of the Council may amend this document.

ARTICLE TWO: TRAVEL

In order to ease the movement of citizens throughout the ADSN region members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. There shall the the establishment of a four path system for visas. These shall be the Short Term Visa, Business Visa, Educational Visa, and the Temporary Worker Visa.

2. The Short Term Visa shall be available to any individual who books return or onward passage via any means at least 30 days before the date of travel. So long as these dates are no longer apart than 60 calendar days then the individual may enter visa free so long as the receiving nation do not believe that the person poses a risk to the security or good order of the nation. Holders of this visa may not undertake any work while staying in the receiving nation.

3. The Business Visa shall be available to any individual who is travelling on business purposes. To obtain this an individual must have a guarantor from a business within the receiving nation. This visa shall allow an individual to remain in the receiving nation for 180 days and they may undertake paid employment while based there. This type of visa may not be renewed for 90 days. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

4. The Educational Visa shall be available to any individual who has obtained confirmation of the offer of an educational course within a receiving nation. This visa shall cover the entire duration of the course and will permit the holder to a maximum of 20 hours per work employment during their course. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

5. The Length of the above visas may be increased at the discretion of the receiving nation.

6. Any individual breaking the conditions of any of these visa programmes is liable to deportation and may be banned from travel to the receiving nation indefinitely.

7. The home nation shall take all reasonable steps to ensure anyone deported and banned from travel is prevented from returning.

8. In the event of an individual traveler in one nation being believed to be responsible, whether individually or as a conspirator, for criminal actions within the jurisdiction of another member state, the individual shall be extradited subject to the following being provided to the visited nations relevant authority.
a) Evidence of the wrongdoing
b) An understanding that the individual will receive a fair trial in a court of law

9. There shall be no obligation for the visited nation to extradite an individual to the death penalty.

ARTICLE THREE: TRADE

In order to effect more prosperous trading oppurtunities the nations signed as members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. Any export to a member nations shall be accompanied by a declaration that the export abides by all local laws. To ensure compliance the receiving nation may carry out any non-destructive test on any product arriving at their nation. Any product deemed to be not incompliance with local laws or not accompanied by a decleration shall see a fine of non more than 5 times the value of the consignment paid by the exporter.

2. On the anniversary of the signing of this document each member nation shall produce a list of tariffs to be paid by all member nations. Those tariffs may be set on any goods or items the nation wish. The tariffs set by each nation must be at a level lower than for any nation with which they do not have a current trade agreement with.

3. This agreement does not prevent member nations making their own trade agreements.

4. Any item with a value of less than $1million exported to a nation for temporary use shall be permitted to enter tariff free so long as it is for a period of less than 30 days.

5. ADSN nations agree to allow operations by businesses from other ADSN nations on condition that those businesses operate following local laws concerning taxation, employment, health and safety and environmental matters.

ARTICLE FOUR: SECURITY

In order to make the region a safer place for all nations members agree to the following.

1. That they shall first and foremost consider their regional neighbors as friends and as such shall do all that is reasonably possible to avoid armed conflict with them.

2. In order to protect citizens of all nations any intelligence gathered by one nation that would indicate a likely threat to another is to be shared in a speedy manner. Should a nation believe that by revealing this intelligence it would place its own safety or operations in jeopardy then they are excused from sharing this intelligence.

3. Each nation shall maintain in their embassy a military attaché who shall share relevant military details with their host nation so long as doing so does not infringe on the attaché's own nations security.

4. Nations hosting military exercises shall, so long as it is safe to do so, advertise via the attaché system the size, scope and nature of these exercises at least 3 days before they begin. They shall ensure all relevant notices to shipping and airmen are made in good time.

5. Nations agree that they shall take no action to prevent or interfere in exercises or movements of another nation so long as it does not impose on their own waters as laid out in the Fair Seas Concordat.

6. Nations agree that under no circumstances will they knowingly allow a third party nation to utilize their territory, waters or airspace to conduct a first strike or similar operation against another member nation.

DONE in Dunwich on the 16th of November, 2023.

Signed,
Eijirō, Emperor of Daitō

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Vicegerent
First Empire of Rokkenjima
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Aosta on November 24, 2023, 08:52:19 PM
The ADSN Declaration (Dunwich Declaration) Dunwich, 16th November 2023

The nations of the Dauntel Sea, Rokkenjiman Sea and Strait of Shaw

MINDFUL of the existence of mutual interests and common problems among countries of the Dauntel and the Straight of Shaw and convinced of the need to strengthen further the existing bonds of regional solidarity and cooperation;

DESIRING to establish a firm foundation for common action to promote regional cooperation in the Dauntel and Straight of Shaw in the spirit of equality and partnership and thereby contribute towards peace, progress and prosperity in the region;

CONSCIOUS that in an increasingly interdependent world, the cherished ideals of peace, freedom, social justice and economic well-being are best attained by fostering good understanding, good neighbourliness and meaningful cooperation among the countries of the region already bound together by ties of history and culture;

CONSIDERING that the countries bordering the Dauntel and Strait of Shaw share a primary responsibility for strengthening the economic and social stability of the region and ensuring their peaceful and progressive national development, and that they are determined to ensure their stability and security from external interference in any form or manifestation in order to preserve their national identities in accordance with the ideals and aspirations of their peoples;

AFFIRMING that all foreign bases are temporary and remain only with the expressed concurrence of the countries concerned and are not intended to be used directly or indirectly to subvert the national independence and freedom of States in the area or prejudice the orderly processes of their national development;

DO HEREBY DECLARE:

FIRST, the establishment of an Association for Regional Cooperation among the countries bordering the waters of the Dauntel, the Rokkenjiman Sea and the Strait of Shaw to be known as the Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN).

SECOND, that the aims and purposes of the Association shall be:

1. To accelerate the economic growth, social progress and cultural development in the region through joint endeavours in the spirit of equality and partnership in order to strengthen the foundation for a prosperous and peaceful community of Dauntel and Shaw Nations;
2. To promote regional peace and stability through abiding respect for justice and the rule of law in the relationship among countries of the region.
3. To promote active collaboration and mutual assistance on matters of common interest in the economic, social, cultural, technical, scientific and administrative fields;
4. To provide assistance to each other in the form of training and research facilities in the educational, professional, technical and administrative spheres;
5. To collaborate more effectively for the greater utilization of their agriculture and industries, the expansion of their trade, including the study of the problems of international commodity trade, the improvement of their transportation and communications facilities and the raising of the living standards of their peoples;
6. To promote shared Dauntel-Shaw studies;
7. To maintain close and beneficial cooperation with existing international and regional organizations with similar aims and purposes, and explore all avenues for even closer cooperation among themselves.

THIRD, that the Association represents the collective will of the nations which border the Dauntel Sea, Rokkenjiman Sea and Strait of Shaw, to bind themselves together in friendship and cooperation and, through joint efforts and sacrifices, secure for their peoples and for posterity the blessings of peace, freedom and prosperity.

FOURTH, that the Association is open for participation to all States which border the Dauntel Sea, the Rokkenjiman Sea or Strait of Shaw who subscribe to the aforementioned aims, principles and purposes.
(a) Any prospective member of the organisation must be admitted by majority vote of the membership

ARTICLE ONE: THE COUNCIL

1. The Council shall consist of ambassadors representing each of the member nations, each member shall have one vote on any matter.

2. Any member may propose a matter for debate, all votes on resolutions are by majority vote unless determined otherwise by the Council.

3. Only a resolution of the Council may amend this document.

ARTICLE TWO: TRAVEL

In order to ease the movement of citizens throughout the ADSN region members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. There shall the the establishment of a four path system for visas. These shall be the Short Term Visa, Business Visa, Educational Visa, and the Temporary Worker Visa.

2. The Short Term Visa shall be available to any individual who books return or onward passage via any means at least 30 days before the date of travel. So long as these dates are no longer apart than 60 calendar days then the individual may enter visa free so long as the receiving nation do not believe that the person poses a risk to the security or good order of the nation. Holders of this visa may not undertake any work while staying in the receiving nation.

3. The Business Visa shall be available to any individual who is travelling on business purposes. To obtain this an individual must have a guarantor from a business within the receiving nation. This visa shall allow an individual to remain in the receiving nation for 180 days and they may undertake paid employment while based there. This type of visa may not be renewed for 90 days. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

4. The Educational Visa shall be available to any individual who has obtained confirmation of the offer of an educational course within a receiving nation. This visa shall cover the entire duration of the course and will permit the holder to a maximum of 20 hours per work employment during their course. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

5. The Length of the above visas may be increased at the discretion of the receiving nation.

6. Any individual breaking the conditions of any of these visa programmes is liable to deportation and may be banned from travel to the receiving nation indefinitely.

7. The home nation shall take all reasonable steps to ensure anyone deported and banned from travel is prevented from returning.

8. In the event of an individual traveler in one nation being believed to be responsible, whether individually or as a conspirator, for criminal actions within the jurisdiction of another member state, the individual shall be extradited subject to the following being provided to the visited nations relevant authority.
a) Evidence of the wrongdoing
b) An understanding that the individual will receive a fair trial in a court of law

9. There shall be no obligation for the visited nation to extradite an individual to the death penalty.

ARTICLE THREE: TRADE

In order to effect more prosperous trading oppurtunities the nations signed as members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. Any export to a member nations shall be accompanied by a declaration that the export abides by all local laws. To ensure compliance the receiving nation may carry out any non-destructive test on any product arriving at their nation. Any product deemed to be not incompliance with local laws or not accompanied by a decleration shall see a fine of non more than 5 times the value of the consignment paid by the exporter.

2. On the anniversary of the signing of this document each member nation shall produce a list of tariffs to be paid by all member nations. Those tariffs may be set on any goods or items the nation wish. The tariffs set by each nation must be at a level lower than for any nation with which they do not have a current trade agreement with.

3. This agreement does not prevent member nations making their own trade agreements.

4. Any item with a value of less than $1million exported to a nation for temporary use shall be permitted to enter tariff free so long as it is for a period of less than 30 days.

5. ADSN nations agree to allow operations by businesses from other ADSN nations on condition that those businesses operate following local laws concerning taxation, employment, health and safety and environmental matters.

ARTICLE FOUR: SECURITY

In order to make the region a safer place for all nations members agree to the following.

1. That they shall first and foremost consider their regional neighbors as friends and as such shall do all that is reasonably possible to avoid armed conflict with them.

2. In order to protect citizens of all nations any intelligence gathered by one nation that would indicate a likely threat to another is to be shared in a speedy manner. Should a nation believe that by revealing this intelligence it would place its own safety or operations in jeopardy then they are excused from sharing this intelligence.

3. Each nation shall maintain in their embassy a military attaché who shall share relevant military details with their host nation so long as doing so does not infringe on the attaché's own nations security.

4. Nations hosting military exercises shall, so long as it is safe to do so, advertise via the attaché system the size, scope and nature of these exercises at least 3 days before they begin. They shall ensure all relevant notices to shipping and airmen are made in good time.

5. Nations agree that they shall take no action to prevent or interfere in exercises or movements of another nation so long as it does not impose on their own waters as laid out in the Fair Seas Concordat.

6. Nations agree that under no circumstances will they knowingly allow a third party nation to utilize their territory, waters or airspace to conduct a first strike or similar operation against another member nation.

DONE in Dunwich on the 16th of November, 2023.

Signed,
Eijirō, Emperor of Daitō


Vicegerent
First Empire of Rokkenjima

Empress Serena
Empire of Aosta
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Abertone on November 25, 2023, 11:12:21 AM
The ADSN Declaration (Dunwich Declaration) Dunwich, 16th November 2023

The nations of the Dauntel Sea, Rokkenjiman Sea and Strait of Shaw

MINDFUL of the existence of mutual interests and common problems among countries of the Dauntel and the Straight of Shaw and convinced of the need to strengthen further the existing bonds of regional solidarity and cooperation;

DESIRING to establish a firm foundation for common action to promote regional cooperation in the Dauntel and Straight of Shaw in the spirit of equality and partnership and thereby contribute towards peace, progress and prosperity in the region;

CONSCIOUS that in an increasingly interdependent world, the cherished ideals of peace, freedom, social justice and economic well-being are best attained by fostering good understanding, good neighbourliness and meaningful cooperation among the countries of the region already bound together by ties of history and culture;

CONSIDERING that the countries bordering the Dauntel and Strait of Shaw share a primary responsibility for strengthening the economic and social stability of the region and ensuring their peaceful and progressive national development, and that they are determined to ensure their stability and security from external interference in any form or manifestation in order to preserve their national identities in accordance with the ideals and aspirations of their peoples;

AFFIRMING that all foreign bases are temporary and remain only with the expressed concurrence of the countries concerned and are not intended to be used directly or indirectly to subvert the national independence and freedom of States in the area or prejudice the orderly processes of their national development;

DO HEREBY DECLARE:

FIRST, the establishment of an Association for Regional Cooperation among the countries bordering the waters of the Dauntel, the Rokkenjiman Sea and the Strait of Shaw to be known as the Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN).

SECOND, that the aims and purposes of the Association shall be:

1. To accelerate the economic growth, social progress and cultural development in the region through joint endeavours in the spirit of equality and partnership in order to strengthen the foundation for a prosperous and peaceful community of Dauntel and Shaw Nations;
2. To promote regional peace and stability through abiding respect for justice and the rule of law in the relationship among countries of the region.
3. To promote active collaboration and mutual assistance on matters of common interest in the economic, social, cultural, technical, scientific and administrative fields;
4. To provide assistance to each other in the form of training and research facilities in the educational, professional, technical and administrative spheres;
5. To collaborate more effectively for the greater utilization of their agriculture and industries, the expansion of their trade, including the study of the problems of international commodity trade, the improvement of their transportation and communications facilities and the raising of the living standards of their peoples;
6. To promote shared Dauntel-Shaw studies;
7. To maintain close and beneficial cooperation with existing international and regional organizations with similar aims and purposes, and explore all avenues for even closer cooperation among themselves.

THIRD, that the Association represents the collective will of the nations which border the Dauntel Sea, Rokkenjiman Sea and Strait of Shaw, to bind themselves together in friendship and cooperation and, through joint efforts and sacrifices, secure for their peoples and for posterity the blessings of peace, freedom and prosperity.

FOURTH, that the Association is open for participation to all States which border the Dauntel Sea, the Rokkenjiman Sea or Strait of Shaw who subscribe to the aforementioned aims, principles and purposes.
(a) Any prospective member of the organisation must be admitted by majority vote of the membership

ARTICLE ONE: THE COUNCIL

1. The Council shall consist of ambassadors representing each of the member nations, each member shall have one vote on any matter.

2. Any member may propose a matter for debate, all votes on resolutions are by majority vote unless determined otherwise by the Council.

3. Only a resolution of the Council may amend this document.

ARTICLE TWO: TRAVEL

In order to ease the movement of citizens throughout the ADSN region members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. There shall the the establishment of a four path system for visas. These shall be the Short Term Visa, Business Visa, Educational Visa, and the Temporary Worker Visa.

2. The Short Term Visa shall be available to any individual who books return or onward passage via any means at least 30 days before the date of travel. So long as these dates are no longer apart than 60 calendar days then the individual may enter visa free so long as the receiving nation do not believe that the person poses a risk to the security or good order of the nation. Holders of this visa may not undertake any work while staying in the receiving nation.

3. The Business Visa shall be available to any individual who is travelling on business purposes. To obtain this an individual must have a guarantor from a business within the receiving nation. This visa shall allow an individual to remain in the receiving nation for 180 days and they may undertake paid employment while based there. This type of visa may not be renewed for 90 days. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

4. The Educational Visa shall be available to any individual who has obtained confirmation of the offer of an educational course within a receiving nation. This visa shall cover the entire duration of the course and will permit the holder to a maximum of 20 hours per work employment during their course. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

5. The Length of the above visas may be increased at the discretion of the receiving nation.

6. Any individual breaking the conditions of any of these visa programmes is liable to deportation and may be banned from travel to the receiving nation indefinitely.

7. The home nation shall take all reasonable steps to ensure anyone deported and banned from travel is prevented from returning.

8. In the event of an individual traveler in one nation being believed to be responsible, whether individually or as a conspirator, for criminal actions within the jurisdiction of another member state, the individual shall be extradited subject to the following being provided to the visited nations relevant authority.
a) Evidence of the wrongdoing
b) An understanding that the individual will receive a fair trial in a court of law

9. There shall be no obligation for the visited nation to extradite an individual to the death penalty.

ARTICLE THREE: TRADE

In order to effect more prosperous trading oppurtunities the nations signed as members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. Any export to a member nations shall be accompanied by a declaration that the export abides by all local laws. To ensure compliance the receiving nation may carry out any non-destructive test on any product arriving at their nation. Any product deemed to be not incompliance with local laws or not accompanied by a decleration shall see a fine of non more than 5 times the value of the consignment paid by the exporter.

2. On the anniversary of the signing of this document each member nation shall produce a list of tariffs to be paid by all member nations. Those tariffs may be set on any goods or items the nation wish. The tariffs set by each nation must be at a level lower than for any nation with which they do not have a current trade agreement with.

3. This agreement does not prevent member nations making their own trade agreements.

4. Any item with a value of less than $1million exported to a nation for temporary use shall be permitted to enter tariff free so long as it is for a period of less than 30 days.

5. ADSN nations agree to allow operations by businesses from other ADSN nations on condition that those businesses operate following local laws concerning taxation, employment, health and safety and environmental matters.

ARTICLE FOUR: SECURITY

In order to make the region a safer place for all nations members agree to the following.

1. That they shall first and foremost consider their regional neighbors as friends and as such shall do all that is reasonably possible to avoid armed conflict with them.

2. In order to protect citizens of all nations any intelligence gathered by one nation that would indicate a likely threat to another is to be shared in a speedy manner. Should a nation believe that by revealing this intelligence it would place its own safety or operations in jeopardy then they are excused from sharing this intelligence.

3. Each nation shall maintain in their embassy a military attaché who shall share relevant military details with their host nation so long as doing so does not infringe on the attaché's own nations security.

4. Nations hosting military exercises shall, so long as it is safe to do so, advertise via the attaché system the size, scope and nature of these exercises at least 3 days before they begin. They shall ensure all relevant notices to shipping and airmen are made in good time.

5. Nations agree that they shall take no action to prevent or interfere in exercises or movements of another nation so long as it does not impose on their own waters as laid out in the Fair Seas Concordat.

6. Nations agree that under no circumstances will they knowingly allow a third party nation to utilize their territory, waters or airspace to conduct a first strike or similar operation against another member nation.

DONE in Dunwich on the 16th of November, 2023.

Signed,
Eijirō, Emperor of Daitō


Vicegerent
First Empire of Rokkenjima

Empress Serena
Empire of Aosta

Consul Graziano Lupo
Empire of Abertone
(Ratified by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Marco)
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Achkaerin on November 25, 2023, 04:15:56 PM
The ADSN Declaration (Dunwich Declaration) Dunwich, 16th November 2023

The nations of the Dauntel Sea, Rokkenjiman Sea and Strait of Shaw

MINDFUL of the existence of mutual interests and common problems among countries of the Dauntel and the Straight of Shaw and convinced of the need to strengthen further the existing bonds of regional solidarity and cooperation;

DESIRING to establish a firm foundation for common action to promote regional cooperation in the Dauntel and Straight of Shaw in the spirit of equality and partnership and thereby contribute towards peace, progress and prosperity in the region;

CONSCIOUS that in an increasingly interdependent world, the cherished ideals of peace, freedom, social justice and economic well-being are best attained by fostering good understanding, good neighbourliness and meaningful cooperation among the countries of the region already bound together by ties of history and culture;

CONSIDERING that the countries bordering the Dauntel and Strait of Shaw share a primary responsibility for strengthening the economic and social stability of the region and ensuring their peaceful and progressive national development, and that they are determined to ensure their stability and security from external interference in any form or manifestation in order to preserve their national identities in accordance with the ideals and aspirations of their peoples;

AFFIRMING that all foreign bases are temporary and remain only with the expressed concurrence of the countries concerned and are not intended to be used directly or indirectly to subvert the national independence and freedom of States in the area or prejudice the orderly processes of their national development;

DO HEREBY DECLARE:

FIRST, the establishment of an Association for Regional Cooperation among the countries bordering the waters of the Dauntel, the Rokkenjiman Sea and the Strait of Shaw to be known as the Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN).

SECOND, that the aims and purposes of the Association shall be:

1. To accelerate the economic growth, social progress and cultural development in the region through joint endeavours in the spirit of equality and partnership in order to strengthen the foundation for a prosperous and peaceful community of Dauntel and Shaw Nations;
2. To promote regional peace and stability through abiding respect for justice and the rule of law in the relationship among countries of the region.
3. To promote active collaboration and mutual assistance on matters of common interest in the economic, social, cultural, technical, scientific and administrative fields;
4. To provide assistance to each other in the form of training and research facilities in the educational, professional, technical and administrative spheres;
5. To collaborate more effectively for the greater utilization of their agriculture and industries, the expansion of their trade, including the study of the problems of international commodity trade, the improvement of their transportation and communications facilities and the raising of the living standards of their peoples;
6. To promote shared Dauntel-Shaw studies;
7. To maintain close and beneficial cooperation with existing international and regional organizations with similar aims and purposes, and explore all avenues for even closer cooperation among themselves.

THIRD, that the Association represents the collective will of the nations which border the Dauntel Sea, Rokkenjiman Sea and Strait of Shaw, to bind themselves together in friendship and cooperation and, through joint efforts and sacrifices, secure for their peoples and for posterity the blessings of peace, freedom and prosperity.

FOURTH, that the Association is open for participation to all States which border the Dauntel Sea, the Rokkenjiman Sea or Strait of Shaw who subscribe to the aforementioned aims, principles and purposes.
(a) Any prospective member of the organisation must be admitted by majority vote of the membership

ARTICLE ONE: THE COUNCIL

1. The Council shall consist of ambassadors representing each of the member nations, each member shall have one vote on any matter.

2. Any member may propose a matter for debate, all votes on resolutions are by majority vote unless determined otherwise by the Council.

3. Only a resolution of the Council may amend this document.

ARTICLE TWO: TRAVEL

In order to ease the movement of citizens throughout the ADSN region members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. There shall the the establishment of a four path system for visas. These shall be the Short Term Visa, Business Visa, Educational Visa, and the Temporary Worker Visa.

2. The Short Term Visa shall be available to any individual who books return or onward passage via any means at least 30 days before the date of travel. So long as these dates are no longer apart than 60 calendar days then the individual may enter visa free so long as the receiving nation do not believe that the person poses a risk to the security or good order of the nation. Holders of this visa may not undertake any work while staying in the receiving nation.

3. The Business Visa shall be available to any individual who is travelling on business purposes. To obtain this an individual must have a guarantor from a business within the receiving nation. This visa shall allow an individual to remain in the receiving nation for 180 days and they may undertake paid employment while based there. This type of visa may not be renewed for 90 days. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

4. The Educational Visa shall be available to any individual who has obtained confirmation of the offer of an educational course within a receiving nation. This visa shall cover the entire duration of the course and will permit the holder to a maximum of 20 hours per work employment during their course. Should the receiving nation believe the individual is a risk to security or good order of the nation then entry may be stopped.

5. The Length of the above visas may be increased at the discretion of the receiving nation.

6. Any individual breaking the conditions of any of these visa programmes is liable to deportation and may be banned from travel to the receiving nation indefinitely.

7. The home nation shall take all reasonable steps to ensure anyone deported and banned from travel is prevented from returning.

8. In the event of an individual traveler in one nation being believed to be responsible, whether individually or as a conspirator, for criminal actions within the jurisdiction of another member state, the individual shall be extradited subject to the following being provided to the visited nations relevant authority.
a) Evidence of the wrongdoing
b) An understanding that the individual will receive a fair trial in a court of law

9. There shall be no obligation for the visited nation to extradite an individual to the death penalty.

ARTICLE THREE: TRADE

In order to effect more prosperous trading oppurtunities the nations signed as members of the ADSN agree to the following measures.

1. Any export to a member nations shall be accompanied by a declaration that the export abides by all local laws. To ensure compliance the receiving nation may carry out any non-destructive test on any product arriving at their nation. Any product deemed to be not incompliance with local laws or not accompanied by a decleration shall see a fine of non more than 5 times the value of the consignment paid by the exporter.

2. On the anniversary of the signing of this document each member nation shall produce a list of tariffs to be paid by all member nations. Those tariffs may be set on any goods or items the nation wish. The tariffs set by each nation must be at a level lower than for any nation with which they do not have a current trade agreement with.

3. This agreement does not prevent member nations making their own trade agreements.

4. Any item with a value of less than $1million exported to a nation for temporary use shall be permitted to enter tariff free so long as it is for a period of less than 30 days.

5. ADSN nations agree to allow operations by businesses from other ADSN nations on condition that those businesses operate following local laws concerning taxation, employment, health and safety and environmental matters.

ARTICLE FOUR: SECURITY

In order to make the region a safer place for all nations members agree to the following.

1. That they shall first and foremost consider their regional neighbors as friends and as such shall do all that is reasonably possible to avoid armed conflict with them.

2. In order to protect citizens of all nations any intelligence gathered by one nation that would indicate a likely threat to another is to be shared in a speedy manner. Should a nation believe that by revealing this intelligence it would place its own safety or operations in jeopardy then they are excused from sharing this intelligence.

3. Each nation shall maintain in their embassy a military attaché who shall share relevant military details with their host nation so long as doing so does not infringe on the attaché's own nations security.

4. Nations hosting military exercises shall, so long as it is safe to do so, advertise via the attaché system the size, scope and nature of these exercises at least 3 days before they begin. They shall ensure all relevant notices to shipping and airmen are made in good time.

5. Nations agree that they shall take no action to prevent or interfere in exercises or movements of another nation so long as it does not impose on their own waters as laid out in the Fair Seas Concordat.

6. Nations agree that under no circumstances will they knowingly allow a third party nation to utilize their territory, waters or airspace to conduct a first strike or similar operation against another member nation.

DONE in Dunwich on the 16th of November, 2023.

Signed,
Eijirō, Emperor of Daitō

Emerson Ravenswood
Vicegerent
First Empire of Rokkenjima

Empress Serena
Empire of Aosta

Consul Graziano Lupo
Empire of Abertone
(Ratified by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Marco)

Chief Councillor Xiaoling Tsu
Gowu
(Countersigned by Molly Newton, Gowu Minister, for the purposes of security provisions)
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on December 03, 2023, 10:12:12 PM
OOC: Any other signatories or do we get to clink glasses now?
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Daitō on December 08, 2023, 07:03:59 AM
OOC: I suppose not? Someone grab the champagne
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on December 08, 2023, 10:40:42 PM
"I believe we have a Declaration before us, one which has been accepted and signed, and I look forward to what we will accomplish together. Staff," she said with a smile, "bring me a Pyrenan Mead and a bottle of the Quinntopian vodka we have on hand and, for our new friends, whatever they wish that we are capable of providing them. Congratulations all, we did it," she concluded with a smile.
Title: Re: Proposing The Association of Dauntel and Shaw Nations (ADSN) - OPEN
Post by: Beatrice on December 15, 2023, 11:56:57 PM
OOC:
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"With the celebratory mood the room is more quiet than I'd have expected," she said as she looked over to McKenna. "Tell me, when was the last time I had a state visit to a nation besides going home to see dad in Dartfordia, to see mum in Achkaerin, to Tytor to visit my beloved?" Mckenna fell silent for a moment, "Some time, your Highness," he would reply. Asuna sighed, closed her eyes, twirled around three times and extended a pointed finger to Empress Serena. "While my methods might not be entirely scientific, I hope you'll accept my request to spend the next weekend in your nation and get to know you better and look, I know we've traded barbs here along the way to a successful signing of the Dunwich Declaration, but I'd like to have the opportunity for us to sit down, talk, and who knows, there might be something more bilateral in the works for our nations; after all, the ADSN was what I hoped to see to success, but what worth is the ADSN if we don't actually build links with each other. So," she paused, somewhat out of breath from speaking all of that on just one breath, "may we schedule a visit in say, two weeks?"