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The Tamoran experience ( Tamora & San Huberto)
« on: April 06, 2020, 05:56:19 PM »
Samira Hanifnejad had no diplomatic experience, she had never represented the Tamoran government in any capacity before. Yet she did represent Tamora on the world stage, or so she liked to think, by winning two consecutive Ozzie(ooc: think the rough equivalent of the RL Oscars) awards for best international film something she had to admit pleased her greatly. Yet she was fully aware that wasn’t a substitute for diplomatic experience. However, when an Ayatollah of your faith asks you to represent your country, as an deeply religious conservative Manist, she could not refuse.

“Let’s see were this goes” she said to herself before beginning to write.




Addressed to: República Popular de San Huberto

To whom is may concern,

I am writing to you on behalf of the Tamoran government to extend on invitation to visit our country. This year marks a premiere in our history as the first year when the Tamoran Empire and our close friends and allies, Royal Seleucid, have decided to make a bid to host the Mundus games and be in the spotlight for all of Mundus to see us.

Because of this the Tamoran Empire wants to help nations that so far have had little contact with Tamora and even the MidAranye region to get a chance to experience and understand Tamoran culture. It is for this reason that I would like for your government to send a cultural delegation to our country to observe and learn of our culture and to also provide their opinion on that experience. We hope the visit would be exploratory and perhaps open doors for future cooperation.

In the event that your would agree to our invitation, I have arranged and attached a flexible itinerary for the visit.
Please let me know of your decision.



Respectfully yours,
Samira Hanifnejad
Tamoran Ambassador of Culture

Proposed itinerary:
-   - visiting the great landmarks of Djerb 
-   - a free debate with university students at Djerb Imperial College on the topic of what do each of our nations bring to Mundus.
-   - a visit to the great temple of Djerb
-   - attending a cultural event in the federated kingdom of Akkar
(ooc: the itinerary might change depending on my lack of imagination)


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Re: The Tamoran experience ( Tamora & San Huberto)
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2020, 01:18:40 AM »

In response to: Samira Hanifnejad,
Tamoran Ambassador of Culture,

It is with much gladness that the Constitutional Assembly of San Huberto has received and accepted your proposal of a cultural tour of the Empire of Tamora. It shall be our pleasure to gain a deeper comprehension of such a venerable and vibrant civilization.

Tamora’s central position, physically as well as politically, in the MidAranye region presents an opportunity to foster understanding not only between the Empire of Tamora and the People's Republic of San Huberto, but for all of Cotf Aranye, bringing the two ends of our shared continent closer together.

We shall select an appropriate representative for this cultural experience with all urgency. We anticipate the meeting of our two cultures to be a constructive and revealing affair.

With warm and respectful regards,
The gathered Delegates of the Constitutional Assembly of San Huberto



Estanislao de la Caña, an associate professor of Anthropology at the National Autonomous University of San Huberto, had received an email earlier that day, and before he knew it, he was looking at plane tickets. The Rector had been informed by the Constitutional Assembly of their desire to carry out a cultural expedition to Tamora and inquired if Sr. de la Caña was interested in the responsibility. A taxi ride and a few questions from the Assembly later, and he was now officially the acting cultural ambassador to Tamora. As a graduate student he had flirted with the idea of writing his thesis on some topic related to MidAranye, a region that had always interested him, and now was the opportunity to go there for himself. Only a fool would have turned it down.

He hoped the rest of the trip would be better than the flight. A commercial flight to Djerb, in economy class seating. He had expressed a preference for business class to the budgetary committee, but if he had known his request would have been met by howling laughter, he would have kept that to himself.

While he waited for official diplomatic channels to set the trip in motion, Estanislao spent a long evening trying to get ahead on grading, whittling away the hours making mark after mark with his red pen. As excited as he was, one thought kept creeping into his mind, “I hope the university doesn’t take this time out of my sabbatical.”

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Re: The Tamoran experience ( Tamora & San Huberto)
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2020, 06:44:49 PM »
As this was not a state visit, there was no welcoming committee to greet professor Estanislao de la Caña when he got out of the plane. He would have to go through all the regular airport flux as any other foreign visitor, maybe not any other since he was given a diplomatic visa. All the way through security and the luggage pickup area there were plenty of people coming and going, if one were to look at the arrivals and departures they would see as destinations major cities from Royal Seleucid, Clysperis, Abuqiya, Abydos, Quintelia, Phuebra and a few other. There were very few flights from or to Achkaerin, Rokkenjima or any other major First World countries. If one were to guess distance was not the major factor but rather the few businesses and cultural ties Tamora shared with most First World countries.   

Should travelers pay attention they would see the large pictures of the Prophet Mani on display all over the airport, most didn’t as it was seen as something ordinary. Few of the international passengers paid attention when the prayer time was announced and many Tamorans that were waiting for their flights or luggage started praying. Since many of those international passengers where from MidAranye they were familiar with the strict adherence Tamorans had to their religion.



When prayer time started, most Tamorans did not skip their prayer requirements just because they were at the airport.


The same was true for those that were at the luggage pickup area.


While going through the airport, passengers would see dozens of portraits of the Prophet Mani on display.


When professor Estanislao de la Caña finished with security, collected his luggage and got to the main hall of the airport, Samira Hanifnejad, dressed in a black abaya dress and with her hair covered, approached him:

“Professor Estanislao de la Caña?” she asked in poor Latin (ooc : or English, whatever the lingua franca of Mundus is considered) wanting to make sure she approached the right person. “The people at security informed me that you were coming.”

“I am Samira Hanifnejad, pleased to meet you. I so glad the Constitutional Assembly accepted my invitation. I was worried a bit that with the political tensions that exist they might me reluctant to accept. “

“How was your trip? San Huberto is not exactly nearby. You must feel tired.  I will take you to your hotel right now so you can get some rest” she said as she pointed towards the exit where a large black Obsidian limousine was waiting for them. The Achkaerin made limousine was provided by the Foreign Office and it included a driver. As the limousine made its way to the hotel, Samira Hanifnejad engaged the professor:

“So what made you choose to volunteer for this visit or were you assigned?”

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Re: The Tamoran experience ( Tamora & San Huberto)
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2020, 10:26:59 AM »
Professor Estanislao de la Caña, recently appointed cultural ambassador to Tamora, had just taken his first steps onto Tamoran soil. The length of the flight had made him ever more aware of the distance between the two nations. Despite being situated on the same continent, spacial and cultural distance made Tamora seem otherworldly. While the flight had been uneventful, and his movement through customs and security equally so, the rest of the trip promised to be a once in a lifetime experience for the young scholar.

The airport was bustling by his standards, filled with a sea of different faces and a concert of different languages. He knew this was but a small appetizer for the rest of his trip, the city of Djerb alone had a population of over half the total population of San Huberto.

The call to prayer nearly startled the professor as he was retrieving his bags. Without vocalization or hesitation a great number of people began to pray in unison. "Manists", he recalled to himself, their expansionist values were fascinating as well as controversial. Were San Huberto to have bordered the Empire of Tamora, it would have been conquered long ago, of this there was no doubt. Even today the Tamorans had the numbers, strength, and commitment to sweep across the peninsula he called home. If they were closer that is, being nestled on one of the outermost rims of Cotf Aranye had its perks.

Certainly their beliefs were quite dissimilar from his own, but as an anthropologist his duty was to observe, not to moralize. And who would dare make criticisms while surrounded by the likeness of the man who started it all? The many portraits of the prophet Mani were quite an interesting sight.

Truthfully, Estanislao found it quite intimidating, feeling as if the prophet's eyes were following him through the airport. By the time he was out of sight of one portrait, another appeared to take over the vigil.

Imagine his relief when, after arriving in the main hall, he encountered a pair of eyes staring in his direction that didn't belong to the prophet. All the better that they belonged to a beautiful woman. She introduced herself as Samira Hanifnejad, Tamoran Ambassador of Culture.

Returning her pleasantries, de la Caña began, "The pleasure is mine, Ms. Hanifnejad, thank you. Politics always prove to be quite divisive, luckily my government didn't allow that to get in the way of such a hospitable offer and such a unique opportunity. My trip was quite alright, though it has only now really begun. I await the rest of my time in this country with great anticipation."

The limousine waiting for the pair outside the airport was a pleasant surprise, "Finally some pomp" he thought to himself. He was looking forward to seeing his hotel, perhaps it would be as luxurious as the vehicle he was riding in. If not, no matter, he intended to spend as little time resting as possible. The more he saw and did, the better.

Their conversation continued as the chauffer navigated the streets of Djerb. "I volunteered for this opportunity, I'm happy to say. MidAranye is a region of the world that has always piqued my interest, ever since I was a young man. How could it not? So many diverse and ancient cultures, the cradle of so many of the world's great faiths. I say this both as an academic and an enthusiast, MidAranye has played an inordinate role in the shaping of our world, it is at the center of modern Mundus."

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Re: The Tamoran experience ( Tamora & San Huberto)
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2020, 03:04:29 PM »
Samira greatly appreciated the fact that Estanislao understood the important role MidAranye played in shaping Mundus. She, like many Tamorans, believed MidAranye was at the center of Mundus but that most foreigners did not want to admit that.

“You are right about MidAranye and its role in Mundus, Professor Caña. Through I often believe that many outside of MidAranye do not realize this. You are an expert so naturally, you know this. But those in other fields are, I believe, unaware of this and that is why visits such as these are important. It gets the truth out to more people. It is one of the reasons why I became a filmmaker and script writer. I wanted to show to all the invaluable contribution MidArnaye has made to Mundus.”

“I do apologize; I did not get a chance to ask you what your religion is.” In other countries that might have seen like an odd question to ask, maybe even impolite. However, in Tamora where religion was so fundamental to Tamoran society, the opposite was true. Asking one’s religion was one of the first things people did and depending on the answer, hosts were expect to try respect the religious requirements of their faith as long as long as it did not contradict their own (ex: if the guest was a Muslim it was impolite for a Christian host to offer him alcohol). 

After Estanislao answered, Samira went on to talk briefly talk about her family mentioning that she was married, how many children she had (four), their age and what schools they attended. This was another Tamoran custom. People were expected to briefly mention about their family in order to build trust with their interlocutor. If one was married and had children it meant it was in good standing and trustworthy since any wrongdoing would be reflected on one’s family. If one was unmarried or worse separated, then that would raise issues about that person’s reputation and trustworthiness. 

After Samira finished talking about her family she gave the chance to Estanislao to do the same. She did not however ask him about it. She was aware that some foreigners do not like that and she decided let him speak of it only if he wanted to.

The trip to the hotel was a very short one. So in the 10 minutes or so it took for them to talk it meant they already reached their destination. However, if Estanislao would pay any attention to the outside, he would see some glimpses of Djerb. The streets were busy with cars and the sidewalks also were also packed with people coming and going everywhere. Both men and women dressed very conservatively despite the heat. Most women covered their hair by wearing a hijab but not all. None of the men wore shorts or short sleeves. Religious symbols were present everywhere as was the Tamoran flag. They were present not just on window apartments but also in windows shops , street ads and especially street art. Some Tamorans were making the sign of the cross as they passed near a church, other were sitting on the bench praying and there were even street preachers in the most crowded intersections reading passages from their holy books.

Spoiler:  Some highlights from Djerb • show



One of the many religious billboards present all over Djerb.

Djerb was overwhelmingly Manist but Christian and Muslim faiths(among others were also present and tried to attract attention:


One Christian Church painted an entire outside wall with the Virgin Mary. Some Christian made the sing of the cross when passing near the wall.


Islamic banks always mentioned the word Islamic in the name. Most banks in Djerb were sharia compliant anyway because Manism also forbade interest but it was a way for Muslims to advertise their faith.   


Other murals were secular in nature. One featured Tamoran fighter jets and images of Tamoran war heroes. Above them written in Parthian was “God bless the Emperor! God bless Tamora!”



The hotel where Estanislao would stay during his visit was among the most luxurious hotels available in Djerb where many diplomats or expats would stay during their time in Djerb. Compared to the most luxurious hotels of Royal Seleucid or Lodja it paled in comparison but it had all the services one would expect in a five star hotel.   

As they entered the hotel the receptionist was just finishing with another client when she approached Samira:

“Lady Hanifnejad, it is an honor” she said bowing her head in respect. Because of her very popular films, many Tamorans knew Samira and greatly respected her and as such they addressed her with “lady”.

“This is professor  Estanislao de la Caña, he will be staying with us for as long as he likes. Please see to it that he has everything he needs”. Even though the schedule was agreed beforehand and Samira knew how long Estanislao would stay it was considered impolite to mention a timeframe as it would be interpreted as he would be welcomed only for a limited time.
 
“Professor Caña, it is quite late and I know you must feel tired so I live you in good hands. I will be here at 10 am tomorrow it that is okay with you.”

After Samira left, the receptionist called a slave servant and asked her to escort Estanislao to his room.


Spoiler:  The Prophet’s Grace Hotel • show


If Estanislao were to search on internet about the Prophet’s Grace Hotel it would find out that the hotel was one of the many wholly owned and operated by the Church of Mani. While not the most luxurious of Djerb’s hotels it was definitely among the top ten. However, because of its long history as well as its prestigious owner (the Church of Mani) it was arguably the most sought hotel by tourists who were familiar with Tamoran culture. 


The lobby of the hotel, like most Tamoran hotels, was lavishly decorated.  It of course featured several portraits of the Prophet Mani as well as the Tamoran flag.



The receptionist welcoming the guests.



The slave servant escorting Estanislao. Tamora had about 15% of its population as slaves but in Djerb that percentage was much higher.  Slaves were mandated to address free people with “Master”.



The slave servant addressed Estanislao after making a long bow:

“Master, would you please follow me“ as she escorted Estanislao to the elevators. The elevators were separate for men and women so the two would take separate ones to reach the top floor where the apartment was place.

The slave servant guided Estanislao to his room. After inviting him to enter the room first she then proceeded to the central portrait in the room, which of course belonged to the Prophet Mani, and bowed for several seconds. As soon as she was done she said:

“Master, that is the holy Prophet Mani. The founder of our Church” she said this deeply respectful and as if  Estanislao could have managed to get this far in Tamora without knowing that.
“Master, should you need anything at all, I am available 24/7 so please call me. Dinner is served at 7 PM after prayer service. Do I have your permission to come at 6:50 to escort you to the dining hall?”

After Estanislao answered she resumed:

“You have a sign there, should you not want to be disturbed for any reason please leave it outside” she pointed at a signed that had in Parthian and Latin (ooc: or whatever the lingua franca of Mundus is considered) written: “Prayer service”, which in Tamora was codename for “Do not disturb”.

“Master, if there isn’t anything I can help you with then I will leave. Your luggage will be brought by the other slave servants in a couple of minutes”.

Spoiler: the hotel room • show



The hotel was extremely luxurious by Tamoran standards and was among the best available in the hotel.  The room featured among its decorations a portrait of the Prophet Mani, a Tamoran flag, a political map of Tamora and all its kingdoms as well as a painting by Dorri Kaviani, Tamora’s most acclaimed contemporary painter.



Having an original painting by Dorri Kaviani on display was a rarity since they were worth a fortune. In this case however, as the hotel was owned by the Church, the artist had donated the painting, an aspect which was mentioned in the description below the painting. 


The view from the window of the hotel room, it was no surprise that a large Manist Temple could be seen.



Should Estanislao decided to watch TV he would have access to dozens of Tamoran channels and a few foreign ones from Royal Seleucid, Abydos, Abuqiya and Clysperis. There were no foreign channels available from countries outside of MidAranye.

Spoiler:  Tamoran TV channels • show


Only about half of Tamoran channels were in Parthian, others were in Arabic, Seleucid, Armenian, Turkish, Slavic the many languages of the Tamoran kingdoms. Thankfully the channels had subtitles so that guests could understand the shows.

The TV shows were heavily focuses on the religious affairs of the Tamoran empire with debates about when to pray, fasting, what is appropriate to wear, what are latest religious books, the life of the Prophet and his walis (ooc saints), what new temples were built. Aside from those, other topics debated or presented were the announced wedding of Emperor Abbas’ sons to Princess Thekla of Royal Seleucid and Pharaoh Akasha of Clysperis. There were ample debates about what that meant for the Safavid imperial family, if the wives would be good mothers to their future children, the religious conversion of Princess Thekla to Manism and what a mixed marriage with a non Manist like Pharaoh Akasha meant.

In external news: the overwhelming focus was placed on MidAranye affairs. The religious persecutions that took place in Clysperis in the rebel controlled parts were still discussed in great deal and several interviews were done with Tamoran solders that fought in Clysperis. News outside of MidAranye was few and mostly focused on Zimalia, Phuebra and Quintelia. When referring to East Moreland and other great powers of Mundus, the news were critical and had titles like “East Moreland deploys its carriers in an aggressive move”, “Rokkenjima plays with the lives of the Seleicid citizens unlawfully detained” “International sanctions are hurting the Tamoran people” etc

Criticism of the imperial government: if one were to search for criticism of the different channels it could find some among the lines of : Tamoran Armed Forces should be used more to in MidAranye and aboard, the government does nothing to promote Tamoran culture aboard, the Tamoran Emperor is too weak in dealing with foreign countries , some were critical of Emperor Abbas decision to marry his sons to foreign women rather than Tamoran ones, other blamed Emperor Abbas for allowing the Clysperis civil war to happen under his watch and for not opposing the deployment on non MidAranye troops to Clysperis. Emperor Abbas was often compared to his grandfather who expanded Tamora by annexing the kingdom of Attica or his father who established the Tamoran Protectorate of Clysperis and was seen as falling short. 



Near the bed, on display was the Book of Mani so that those who used the room had a chance to reread or discover the holy book. A small note was left near the book mentioning that should requested, the Koran can also be brought.

Estanislao would not have more than an hour to explore the room since the slave servant knocked on the door to invite Estanislao to dinner.

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Re: The Tamoran experience ( Tamora & San Huberto)
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2020, 11:39:30 AM »
Estanislao listened with interest to Mrs. Hanifnejad's response, before responding in turn to her own question.

"Oh, I am a Catholic, like most of my countrymen, though not a practicing one. The Church has always played an important role in my country's history. I have, however, always been fascinated by the faiths of MidAranye, Manism included. I hope to gain a greater understanding of these religions during my firsthand experience here in Tamora."

Estanislao also took the opening provided by Samira to share a bit about his own family, as she herself had.

"Family is very important to us in San Huberto, culturally and politically. Distributism teaches is that the family unit is the basic building block of any society, though some nations insist it is the individual, this pursuit only leads to the atomization of society. Myself, I will be a father in a few months, my fiancee and I are expecting, she's a few months along, but, as I'm you understand, it can be quite intimidating bringing a child into the world."

During the ride to the hotel, when a lull in the conversation would allow for it, Estanislao looked out upon the streets of Djerb with bewilderment. The city was an eclectic mix of humanity, so many people of so many faiths, by all appearances content to be living amongst each other. San Huberto seemed quite homogeneous in comparison, sure they were afro-hubertanos and Indians, but nothing in his home country compared to the diversity in Tamora.

The Prophet's Grace hotel was a sight to behold, certainly the nicest hotel Estanislao had ever had the fortune to visit, he was starting to like his decision to come here more and more. The interior of the hotel was palatial, the splendor reminded him of the Old Margravial Palace in Buenpueblo back in his own country. He had visited it once as a child, but as his country had lost their affection for nobility, its maintenance was lacking. In contrast, every surface of the Prophet's Grace seemed polished to an almost mirror finish.

After a brief interaction with the receptionist, Mrs. Hanifnejad went on her way. Estanislao was a bit disappointed when Samira departed, he had enjoyed her company thus far, but indeed he was very tired. "10 o'clock it is, thank you for your hospitality Mrs. Hanifnejad, its been a pleasure meeting you"

Estanislao soon turned his attention to the servant who had come to assist him. She addressed him as master, "If only my students were this respectful." With that, he began to follow the servant to his room, which from what he had seen of the hotel so far promised to be fit for a king. The sex segregated elavators were curious to him, he mused to himself that Djerb must have twice as many elevator repairmen or perhaps the repairmen simply worked twice as long. His admittedly asinine train of thought came to an end as de la Caña came to his room. He gave the servant permission to retrieve him for dinner, before he began to poke about his room, acclimating himself to the space that would be his home for the duration. He checked the view, flipped through a few channels, maybe Tamora had some good sitcoms? Perhaps about a plucky slave always getting into mischief?

It was a strange topic for him, slavery. As an anthropologist he knew that slavery had been a feature of nearly every civilization that has ever existed. What truly constituted slavery anyway? The capitalist system has long been charged by its critics of perpetuating a system of wage slavery, for instance. And certainly many would level the same charge at communist states, like those of the former Warsaw Pact. Slavery, was an imprecise term, that could used to describe many labor relationships, he rationalized. But as a humanist, the thought of one person owning another disturbed him. Then again, he wasn't even sure if he had met a slave yet during his trip, perhaps these hotel workers were just very polite? He removed the discourse from his mind, he had come he as a diplomat, not as an activist. Still...perhaps he could find a way to raise the topic inconspicuously with Samira before his trip reached its end...

Scanning his luxurious room, a copy of the Book of Mani caught his eye. He had read excerpts from it when he was a student, but perhaps he would take this opportunity to read it in its entirety. As he examined the book, admiring the cover and flipping mindlessly through its pages, the servant reentered the room, inquiring as to whether he would like to attend dinner.

"Yes, of course, that would be delightful," he responded "Thank you." Once again following the servant girl to what he was sure would be a delightful meal to prepare for whatever wonders Tamora would grace him with tomorrow.

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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2020, 09:30:19 PM »
The slave servant led the guest to the men’s elevator and then rejoined him once they were both at the first floor. She guided him through the corridor which led to the dining hall. On the walls of the corridor there were portraits of various wali (ooc saints) of the Manist faith, individuals whose lives and actions were deemed exceptional by the Church of Mani. 


The corridor leading to the dining hall


The dining hall.

Soon after the guest took a seat another slave servant was quick to approach him, greeted him and informed him that the meal was ready to be brought to him. Since he was on a cultural visit, the Tamoran hosts made sure he would taste traditional Tamoran cuisine. So he was brought Kebab with rice and Khiar-Sekanjebin (cucumber and vinegar syrup beverage) as a drink.


The dining hall was full since the hotel was in high demand. Foreign guests from Royal Seleucid, Abuqiya, Clysperis, Abydos and other countries were dining at the other tables. The slave servants were busy to cater to the needs of the guests. Professor Estanislao would be asked several times during his meal if everything was okay and whether he needed anything else. 
 
A little commotion happened when one Iman and his family entered the dining hall. As they approached the table, most of the other guests briefly stood up and greeted the Iman with “Salam alaykum”. Other guests, not of the Manist faith, looked a bit surprised at the display but pretended not to notice.

Since everything was paid for by the hosts, Professor Estanislao would not get any check should he ask for it. Furthermore, were he to leave a tip the slave servant would return the money to him and instead polity ask him to give the money away in the donation boxes that were discreetly available throughout  the hall. As most of the personnel of the hotel were slave workforce, they were not allowed to take any tips and instead guests were encouraged to leave something in the donation boxes that were there for the Church of Mani, the owner of he hotel.

When Professor Estanislao was ready to leave, a slave servant quickly came to him and asked whether he wanted to be escorted to his room. A good host in Tamora would not allow his guests unaccompanied even for such a minor thing as going to his room but should he refuse, the slave servants were instructed to respect the wishes of the guests.




Next morning, at ten minutes to ten Samira was in the lobby of the hotel waiting for the professor. She was a bit early so as to make sure he wasn’t there first as it was conspired rude as host to leave your guest waiting.

She greeted Professor Estanislao and asked him if his stay at the hotel was good and whether he needed better accommodation. Afterwards she said:

“I have scheduled for us to visit some of the landmarks of Djerb if that is okay with you.  Not only are they a glimpse of our history but it also gives us the chance to talk and debate about our history. Or at least I hope so” she said smiling.

Once they went outside the same limousine as in the previous day was waiting for them to take them at their first destination. During the trip there Samira addressed the Professor: 
 
“I really didn’t get a chance to talk more during out trip to the hotel but I wanted to tell you that we also see family as the building block of our society. Individuals are just parts of the family, like pieces in a puzzle.  If I may ask, I have read about elections in other countries and a bit about those in your country. I never understood how countries that value the family as a unit and basic building block of society allow voting per individual instead of per family. That way you have families where the head of the family votes for one party and the wife for another. In fact, and forgive me if I am wrong, some parties even seem oriented towards women while other towards men and therefore almost seem to drive a wedge between family members encouraging wives and husbands to think only for themselves and not what is good for the family. Shouldn’t families get one vote so that parties are interested in helping the family as opposed to a piece of that family like the head of the family or the wife or the children?” Samira was not lying when she said she read about elections since in Tamora there were not such things as elections even for local government since the nobility were in charge of the government at every level.

Samira also gave the Professor Estanislao the chance and even encouraged him to ask questions about Tamora and his experience so far “You are on a visit to explore our culture so if you don’t ask questions it will be harder to succeed in your venture.”

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Re: The Tamoran experience ( Tamora & San Huberto)
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2020, 10:38:06 PM »
Returning with the servant to the sex segregated elevators, Estanislao mused to himself that by the time he got home to San Huberto it would take time to adjust back to what he considered “normal” elevators. It would also certainly take time to readjust to his daily, mundane surroundings working as a professor. The halls of his university seemed like they belonged in a prison in comparison to the corridor to the hotel’s dining room.

It was all quite surreal, perhaps foreign would be the most appropriate term, given that he was in fact in a foreign country. The beautiful hallway opened up into the equally picturesque dining hall. He was impressed that his meal was ready for him as soon as he had sat down, he always hated waiting in restaurants. The food was unfamiliar to him, but thankfully the meal’s presentation was indictive of its preparation, being quite toothsome. When glancing up from his meal and around at the other diners, Estanislao saw a kaleidoscope of peoples, as he had when passing through the streets of Djerb.

Once he finished his traditional Tamoran meal, he once again accepted the offer to be escorted back to his room for the night, he felt it would be rude to refuse such an amiable offer.

Estanislao rose the following morning at 8:00, giving himself more time than he needed to make himself presentable, but the professor wanted to ensure he would be ready, and promptly in the lobby of the hotel at 10:00 am sharp. He was glad to see his Tamoran counterpart again. They greeted each other and Estanislao at first thought that Mrs. Hanifnejad must have been joking when she asked if his accommodations were acceptable.

“Oh Mrs. Hanifnejad, surely you must jest, the accommodations have been luxurious. I could scarcely imagine a hotel of higher quality.” He began, “and indeed, a tour of the city’s historical sites sounds excellent, though as the resident expert on Tamora, I feel that you would have the advantage in any debate.” He said in a dry but humorous manner.

The young professor was pleased when their discussion from the day prior was continued after they entered the limousine, though he was admittedly unprepared for the question Samira asked him.

“It is an interesting question that you pose, and one without a simple answer. In some countries yes, there are parties oriented towards specific groups, leading to division along lines other than political. However, in my country there are steps taken to avoid this. The Constitution of San Huberto does not allow for such parties to exist, on an official basis, or participate in elections, this is constitutionally mandated, although this does have its detractors who argue that such a stance is meant to snuff out minority organizing. Your point about voting is also interesting, how can a family-based society recognize its citizens as individuals? When an individual reaches the age of majority, 18, they become, in the eyes of the law at least, equal to their parents. Of course, parents may retain familial authority over their children for longer than this, but this is not codified into law. Even among the Trinity, the Catholic belief in one God with three distinct personages, the Son is equal to the Father. There are ideological reasons as well, a key pillar of Distributism is the idea of “Subsidiarity”, the idea that nothing that can be accomplished by a smaller unit should be delegated to a larger unit, if an individual can operate independently in certain aspects, then he ought to be recognized as such. It is a balancing act, especially in our increasingly alienated world, the Government encourages what it can, preferring to only mandate when it feels it must. I hope that answer is satisfactory, Mrs. Hanifnejad.”

Estanislao felt a weight taken off his shoulders when Samira encouraged him to be questioning, he had been a bit anxious about poising potentially controversial questions to his hostess. Additionally, after a relaxing evening he needed a reminder that this wasn’t quite a vacation, he still had duties to perform.

“Very true, questions lead to answers as they say. I’ve noticed during my time here that there are a great many uh… servants and I have a great many questions about this. I hope my curiosity is understood, this peculiar institution is absent from my country, as well as many others. Indeed, it has damaged Tamora’s relations with some nations, with certain polities even issuing sanctions if I recall correctly. Would it not then be in the empire’s best interest to do away with the practice? Why persist and earn the scorn of so many, what benefits does Tamora gain from such an institution that outweigh the reactions? And then what of internal pressures against slavery? Are there not groups or organizations opposed to the practice, those who act against it?"

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Re: The Tamoran experience ( Tamora & San Huberto)
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2020, 11:53:33 PM »
“Thank you” Samira said before continuing the subject:

“I understand what you said. Personally, I do not see it as an infringement on the individuality of the members of the family. In many cultures when people marry their join their belongings, they become a whole. In a way I see voting the same, you pool together your vote as you do your belongings. Though as I said, I do understand your point of view. “

Samira was not surprised that Estanislao  inquired about slavery, she was aware that Tamora was best known outside of its borders for its practice of slavery. It was what set it apart from most nations of Mundus. However, explaining was not an easy task since it meant approaching many topics, still she did her best to answer at least part of his questions:

“I understand your need to ask about it. Let me try to explain a bit about how Tamora works in an effort to perhaps make it clearer why the institution persists to this day and in my opinion will continue to exist long after we are gone.

I don’t know if you realized by now but Tamorans are a religious people. Religion is at the heart of Tamoran society. Our religion and I refer here to Manism demands that we submit to God, to accept his commandments and his laws. For some religion is a spiritual journey of discovery, for others it is adherence to a code for us it is the total submission to God and his commandments as they are written in the Book of Mani. Our Prophet envisioned how the Tamoran society and government should work based on the principle that each of us should serve our better ones like we serve God. Slavery is part of that vision as is the monarchy and many other elements of our society.

So in Tamora there is a moral obligation to keep the laws and society as our ancestors left them for us. This is one of the reasons why in the XIX th century and early XXth century when most Mundus nations began moving towards public education, public healthcare and pensions, Tamora did not develop any of those or why we have no legislative body whatsoever. Our institutions do not change much compared to the rest of Mundus.

Slavery has existed in these lands we call MidAranye long before Tamora appeared, we did not invent slavery. To my knowledge, though I am no expert, slavery existed on every Mundus continent and nations had no problem with it. Somehow as centuries went by more and more nations outlawed the practice and are calling us now immoral. It isn’t us who changed but them. And because they have no problem with changing their ways and laws from one generation to the next they expect us to do the same.

As I said before, Tamora is very religious, most of our schools and hospitals are church owned and operated. Things like alcohol or even usury is frowned upon today as it was in the times of the Prophet. For us to renounce slavery with be to look at the portrait of the Prophet and imply we know better than him. We don’t pick and choose what commandments of God to follow, we follow them all. As believers, we don’t have to like them or even understand them only to follow them.

So yes, it would be easier for Tamora to get rid of slavery if the goal was to please foreigners and not the Prophet and God but that would mean prostituting to foreign interests and morals which is something I hope I never see Tamora doing.  We don’t have slavery to spite other countries, we have slavery because that is our religion, culture and tradition, and that will never change no matter how much those outside the borders dislike and criticize us.

I do not know if that explain very well our perspective on the matter.“

Because of the long answer, Samira did not realize that she had not answered all of what Estanislao had asked.
 
“So tell me, since we are at the topic of slavery, did your nation have slavery in its history?”   

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Re: The Tamoran experience ( Tamora & San Huberto)
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2020, 11:20:47 PM »
Estanislao was very pleased that Samira was accommodating to his line of questioning. He felt, personally at least, that the matter was very controversial. Yet the young Mrs. Hanifnejad seemed undisturbed by his asking and Estanislao listened intently to her responses.

"Yes, it has been very clear to me, even in my brief time here, that the Tamoran people are very committed to their faiths, but I wonder how those of other faiths regard the Prophet Mani's endorsement of slavery?"

He paused, leaving time for Samira to deliver her answer before continuing.

"Nevertheless, I would be willing to bet that your appraisal is more true than false. Perhaps it has not been present in every single instance of social development, but slavery has certainly proven to be a common feature of human civilization throughout history. In some ways, Tamora and San Huberto are not so different. It is interesting, Distributism is officially third-positionist, being opposed to both capitalism and socialism, which as you well know are modern schemes, though in my country Distributism has often adopted the language of the latter. It came to power as a revolutionary movement, but it is a traditional force in many ways. For example, many of San Huberto's schools are operated by the Catholic Church, the government believes very strongly in protecting the sanctity of marriage, and to prevent usury the government created a national, but decentralized, system of banking."

It was know clear to the hubertano that his concerns had been wrongheaded. He had been afraid of unnecessarily offending his hosts, but he understood now from the Tamoran perspective there was nothing strange about slavery, let alone anything shameful. In actuality, a Tamoran would feel shame if they did not maintain the institution. He would bother no-one with his questioning.

With this newfound understanding in hand, the professor pivoted to explaining the history of slavery within his own nation.

"Oh, San Huberto most certainly has a long history of slavery. In fact, slavery is older than San Huberto itself. The Indians that resided there, and still do, did so for thousands of years before any Ardian stumbled upon its shores. Slaves were a trade good to them, like any other, and were frequently traded. Any individuals captured in battles or raids could be made slaves. Or they could simply be born into bondage. Regardless of how they became that status, these slaves occupied a unique position in a society where labor was divided by sex, being able to perform tasks both masculine, such as hunting, and feminine, such as gathering berries or clams, making them very valuable. Naturally then, these people were bought and sold as commodities. Slaves could also be used as a spiritual commodity as well, serving as human sacrifices. For instance, during the construction of a longhouse, a slave or several slaves might be throw into the holes dug for the support beams, they would be crushed to death when the large cedar logs were lowered into position. Strong chiefs, know as tyees in local dialects, could be expected to possess around 10 slaves, but I have seen an account of a particularly powerful tyee who boasted an entourage of nearly 300 slaves. The arrival of Ardians spurred the growth of the indigenous slave-trade, as settler-colonial industries required manpower in ever increasing amounts, settlers dispossessing natives of their land led to increased conflict between native groups over remaining resources and access to colonial markets, resulting in more battles and therefore slaves. The Ardians themselves also imported slaves to San Huberto from the area that is today the nation of Nueva Ardia, when that state was still a possession of the old Ardian Empire, these slaves being the progenitors of the modern afro-hubertano population. In the early colonial days, it was not uncommon for settlers to be captured so that a tribe might gain access to a skilled laborer the tribe lacked, a blacksmith or gunsmith perhaps, or marry him into the tribe to gain access to his settler community."

Estanislao paused for a moment to catch his breath before continuing, "I hope this is not too dull Mrs. Hanifnejad, I know I have a tendency to ramble when engaging with a topic. To be succinct, yes, slavery was quite ubiquitous in San Huberto, but the practice officially ended when my nation began. Emancipation was used to bring afro-hubertanos into the forces of Martín de Rubén, the man who led our nation in our fight for independence against the Ardian Empire. Slavery carried on in indigenous territories for some time after, but it ultimately died out there as well."

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Re: The Tamoran experience ( Tamora & San Huberto)
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2020, 08:05:25 PM »
As Estanislao asked her about the other faiths she realized she didn’t quite touch on all the questions he asked previously so she tried to give a more comprehensive response:

“With the other faiths things are more complicated. The Tamoran Empire, as the name implies, has expanded through the centuries and incorporated five other kingdoms. These kingdoms each had their own faith. The earlier they were incorporated into the empire the more natural slavery is to them. Three of them also had slavery at the moment of annexation: the Islamic federated kingdom of Altai, the Druze federated kingdom of Akkar and the Anahitaist federated kingdom of West Seleucid.  There has not been any friction with them over slavery. Cultural norms of course vary; with some considering that masters have a religious duty to treat their slaves well, as servants etc. However, the last two kingdoms Tamora annexed: Vojvodina and Attica, which happened to be Christian, had no form of slavery at the time of the annexation. The Christian Orthodox Church and the Christian Catholic Church are therefore the faiths that are critical of slavery. They say it is because of their religious doctrine but I personally believe that had they joined the empire earlier they would have been much more accommodating to this intuition, perhaps in line with the others faiths. “

 “As I said, Tamora is not a unitary state, it allows a lot of autonomy to its component kingdoms, slavery however is an imperial issue and cannot be banned by the kingdoms. One of the Christian kingdoms has lost its monarchy which was replaced with a Manist one because of its open opposition to slavery. The latest of the Christian kingdoms to be annexed by the Empire, Attica, has a Catholic monarch that is covertly opposed to slavery but knows the risk it implies to oppose it publicly. The federated kingdom of Attica has been a part of the empire for 62 years so the anti-slavery sentiment there is often connected with the pro secessionist movement, with one fueling the other and vice versa. At the end of the day their opposition, covert as it is, is only becoming weaker if only because of demographics. Manism is on the rise in all the federated kingdoms.

Aside for that, most opposition to slavery manifests itself by freeing slaves or refusing to enslave the perpetrators or debtors when given the chance.  Since slavery is part of the design left by the Prophet, public activism to abolish it is illegal since it is an attack to the general framework for Tamora. Without political parties to divide us there are no debates about it and organizations do not actively advocate for its abolishing since that is illegal. The only institutions that do are the Christian Churches since they can do that without fear of reprisal from the imperial authorities because they enjoy religious freedom. So aside from the federated kingdom of Attica and to a lesser extent Vojvodina, there is little opposition to slavery in Tamora. The two Christian Churches have a very small presence outside their home kingdoms so they do not have much of a voice in the other federated kingdoms. At the end of the day, Tamorans are free to believe what they want, it is only when they take actions against the Tamoran government and its institutions that it becomes a problem. I personally believe they will get over it in a generation or two. MidAranye and Mundus in general are changing, Slava Lavosk which fueled anti-slavery in MidAranye and in the federated kingdom of Vojvodina is now going back to isolation while the great Ecclesiastical State that used to finance Catholic Churches across Mundus, including in the federated kingdom of Attica, has now imploded and is nothing but a city state. So I personally do not worry about internal forces, the threat comes from outside as it was often the case in our history.   "

“I am somewhat familiar with capitalism and socialism, they have never really taken root here and they remain marginal ideologies here since as new ideologies they are alien to our ways. We are not a society that embraces revolutions.”

“I am surprised I have not heard more of distributism. From what you are saying it sounds like a system that recognizes the importance of religion and community. I wonder why it has not spread to other Christian countries of Mundus. “

Samira appreciated the frank response from the professor. In her rather limited experience with foreigners from outside of MidAranye she encountered mostly people that acted like slavery had never existed in their countries and were not willing to talk openly about their nation’s history. That did not seem the case with the professor. Also, the brutally he described did not surprise her since like most  Tamorans she did not have a romanticized view of slavery.       

“If I may ask” said Samira as they were close to approaching their first destination “ How are relations with the indigenous population at present?”