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Proposal for a revision of Mundus history concerning socialism
« on: February 19, 2023, 09:01:06 PM »
It has come to my notice, that according to general Mundus history, the first successful state is established in the early 1700s, suggesting that socialism exists in the 17th century.
Assuming that the industrial revolution took place at the same time period as it did irl, socialism, an ideology that emerged as a result of factory-wage labour, appears before the causes that caused it to emerge irl.
If we want to make other comparisons, the first successful liberal state (a decidedly less radical ideology) only emerged in the mid 1700s.
Put simply, the timescale for socialism as an ideology makes very little sense and has complicated implications.
My suggestion is thus that the birth of socialism is pushed back to the 1820s, with the first socialist state emerging no time before the 1840s.
These numbers are below what I'd like, but I wish to avoid complicating any historical revisions that will undoubtedly need to take place.
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Re: Proposal for a revision of Mundus history concerning socialism
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2023, 09:07:52 PM »
This would cause me serious issues as it wouldn't give me long enough for a lot of my lore to develop so naturally I'm against this.

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Re: Proposal for a revision of Mundus history concerning socialism
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2023, 09:49:58 PM »
I am generally in favor of moving the development of communism to sometime more reasonable.  The 1840s are a little early in my mind, but still better than the 1720s.

This would cause me serious issues as it wouldn't give me long enough for a lot of my lore to develop so naturally I'm against this.
Pardon me if I'm missing something, but based on your factbook, Kaitaine's revolution isn't until 1867.  Do you really need 140 years for communism to spread into Kaitaine's population?  Surely it would be simple enough to get the same result with only 5 to 20 years; it doesn't take that long to rile up a people.  For what it's worth, the Communist Manifesto was published in 1848 in real life.
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Re: Proposal for a revision of Mundus history concerning socialism
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2023, 09:11:55 PM »
To add onto my initial proposal, you could just rename Mundus' pre-industrial "communism". Have it be something like Jacobinism, which presents all that seems to be needed for an early "communism": extreme secularism, republicanism, anti-establishment/revolutionary threat, potential dictatorships, etc etc. It allows lore to stay unchanged (save for the renaming of one ideology) whilst making things make a bit more sense. In addition, socialist states could still develop from this theoretical jacobinism, as industry becomes more and more relevant.